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Offline Toad

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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2002, 11:59:17 AM »
Just chipping in my .02 in the interest of a "balanced" thread. :)

I find myself tabbing out to surf the web when I'm in the CT. This never happens when I'm in the MA.

Does this mean I have "adrenaline overload" in the CT and need to "take a mini-break"? No, just the opposite.

I guess I have a short attention span or some other disorder. :)

I'm personally VERY happy that 5-10% of the AH player group has found another aspect of the sim that is truly satisfying for them.

However, the implication that perhaps the remaining 90-95% are unable to handle the "rush" is perhaps one of Rip's best trolls to date.

I guess my signature, while initially written with respect to various aircraft applies equally well to various arenas.
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2002, 12:33:29 PM »
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However, the implication that perhaps the remaining 90-95% are unable to handle the "rush" is perhaps one of Rip's best trolls to date.

 


I HATE it when someone knows me "too well". :D
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2002, 12:36:07 PM »
Leph, in rebuttal to dot Awacs dar...in MA, when you encounter a dot, most folks assess the dot on their map (is it enemy) then turn and run if the enemy dot has alt...in the CT arena, you go and investigate it.  It encourages intanglement rather than encouraging alt monkiness. :)
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2002, 12:45:25 PM »
This weeks radar is like it is because of a bug in the terrain. The way it is with this terrain you can either have all or nothing in the area of dot radar or Sector bars, also there is no possibility of having a radar floor.

With dot radar enabled there would be unlimited range with no floor, in other words, as soon as you hit the runway in northern england, you'd be all over the enemys radar in France. Brady opted to turn off the dot radar and left the bar radar on, which has unlimited range and no floor. Like I said, the radar bugs are terrain related and will be over this Saturday when terrains change.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2002, 12:48:45 PM »
Well, the way it is now suits me just fine.  Bar dar above 500 feet is all I care for.  Fug that AWACS crap.
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2002, 12:49:56 PM »
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Leph, in rebuttal to dot Awacs dar...in MA, when you encounter a dot, most folks assess the dot on their map (is it enemy) then turn and run if the enemy dot has alt...in the CT arena, you go and investigate it.  It encourages intanglement rather than encouraging alt monkiness. :)


So, what you are saying is in the MA, folks see a dot, pull up the map, see the dot is an enemy then turn and run. In the CT, they see a dot but have no way to determine if the dot is friend or foe until within icon range or receive a visual cue.

Wouldn't the person who runs when they see an enemy on dar be inclined to run as well when he knows only there is a dot with alt? Seems to me that if he has the proclivity to run when he "knows" whats above him, he would run when he didn't.
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2002, 12:55:02 PM »
Well, the small group I flew with, whenever a group of dots was spotted, we went to it to see what it was, of course, they were always slightly higher (initially) since we were on our own coast.
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2002, 12:59:31 PM »
acually toad... it probly is one of roips best trolls so far but...  overall, I prefer trolls that cntain a grain of truth.  

I belive that short icons are unreallistic and like lepturn, i don't like chasing dots all nite.   the letdown of chasing a dot for a long period of time and then finding out it is a friendly or running out a tank of fuel without seeing any dot  far outweighs any percieved , heightened excitement that the actual fite get's from reduced icons.   boncing someone who is assleep is not fun in either arena for me.   Fighting perk planes is not fun for me nor is flying them against non perked planes.   the MA has correctly labeled these guys as wusses.

oodee... please enlighten me on where iI didn't speak the truth.  The only example you gave is false.   The poster asked for  perking the spit one.   others agreed.   some felt as you say.   anyone is welcome to read the thread.   And.. Is not 5-10% a range of "double"?  

apar... I said that the BOB would most likeley be a sucess...  It allways has been in any "historical" arena I have been in.  short distances, big furs, equal planesets.   Good formula.   Works in the MA and it will work in Historical  arenas.

My point is that those who think that the CT iis more exciting or that the pilots are "better" are simply seeing things from a different perspective than the majority.   Most online simmers would not find K/T's in the single to low double digits very "adreniline" producing.   Most would not find the icons or radar a "realistic" thing.   Most would find allied vs axis limiting and lopsided.   In one respect, historical arenas are for the pro's..  Those who have a lot of time to fly online and plan and.... consider patience the ultimate skill.    Finding fodder for them  to sneak up on is the biggest challenge.
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oh.. and apar..  K/D, K/T and K/S are all stats not score.   I don't care about score but..  when someone tells me about non stop action and never get's a kill in less than 30 minuytes say, then, K/T is a valid "stat" to use in the debate.    When someone claims the skill level is low in the MA and then has a lower K/D in the MA than the CT then K/D is a valid "stat" to bring up.
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2002, 01:18:25 PM »
Your post just proves how much time you spend in there laz, which is 0. Dots merge together, not apart, since we have to find out if it friend or foe.
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2002, 01:28:26 PM »
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Your post just proves how much time you spend in there laz, which is 0. Dots merge together, not apart, since we have to find out if it friend or foe.


Ripsnort, I'm sorry but I'm having a difficult time with you're logic. Am I understanding you to say that in the CT folks merge to dots because they don't know what the dot is and in the MA they drift apart when they know what the dot is? Thats not logical. How would one get into a fight? Thats the whole point of radar. Find an enemy and go to where he is, not away.
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2002, 01:34:07 PM »
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oodee... please enlighten me on where iI didn't speak the truth.  The only example you gave is false.   The poster asked for  perking the spit one.   others agreed.   some felt as you say.   anyone is welcome to read the thread.   And.. Is not 5-10% a range of "double"?  




  "They are allready talking about limiting Spit ones so that the 109's can have a field day."

 That statement right there :D  That's a misrepresentation of the thread we had going in the CT forum.  The conversation was to perk the spit 1 so that people would have to fly the Hur to make it historicly accurate.  I suggested perking it and the 109 (to get the 110 in the action too)  It is in no way to let the 109's guy have a field day, that's going to happen anyway as the 109e is a better climber than the spit I or hurricane.  Yes you are right 5-10% is a range of double, but on peek times the numbers are more like 10-15% if not a bit more on the weekends.  I've seen over 70 in there on the weekends.  

 Regardless of all of that it's fun for "me" once the numbers hit about 20 in the arena w/ 10 on each side.  To be completely honest I would have figured you'd love this arena, it's closer to your furball island idea than the MA (IMO) with such low numbers the fights usually generate between the closest 2 or 3 fields, but oops they climb to more than 2k so maybe you wouldn't like it  :p :D


 I just really don't understand why you get so bent over people having fun in this game......
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2002, 01:36:50 PM »
Why does Lazs remind me of granny on 'The Beverly Hillbillies'?

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2002, 01:46:08 PM »
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Ripsnort, I'm sorry but I'm having a difficult time with you're logic. Am I understanding you to say that in the CT folks merge to dots because they don't know what the dot is and in the MA they drift apart when they know what the dot is? Thats not logical. How would one get into a fight? Thats the whole point of radar. Find an enemy and go to where he is, not away.


Apache, how many times have you been climbing out, a couple friendlies in front of you, suddenly, the friendlies are now turning tail, going the opposite direction as you, you check the map, red dots (AWACS, unrealistic radar for the era) and there they are, slightly higher than you, now you understand why the friendlies are turning tail, they *know* what the dots are.  In the CT arena, unless you have RW, you don't know what they are, you're bound to see if its friend or foe(unless your Laz2, then you look around for Drex to bail your butt out).  What I'm saying is the SA is much , much more realistic than the MA.  You have even agreed with me in the past that the MA radar is abit too much when you with  my squad, so now you've changed your mind?
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2002, 01:47:38 PM »
Incidently, I've NEVER had a problem finding a fite with no dar, even in the days when we used to do no icons with allied vs axis.  Those that use that as an excuse have a much deeper agenda that displeasures them about the arena...
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2002, 01:57:56 PM »
Not saying the CT is better or worse than the MA, it just takes a different mindset and maybe a different style with the reduced icons and such.
I fly the MA when I am in the mood for that style, most of the time I fly the CT because I like the setups.
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