Author Topic: Now I understand why most prefer the MA (Read 2099 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #30 on:** February 14, 2002, 02:02:36 PM »

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Originally posted by eddiek
Not saying the CT is better or worse than the MA, it just takes a different mindset and maybe a different style with the reduced icons and such.
I fly the MA when I am in the mood for that style, most of the time I fly the CT because I like the setups.

Well said!~ I could not do the CT every evening, gets my motor running too fast. Sometimes, its nice to just fly with the Knights, organize huge bombing raids when I find out Laz is online, and shiit in his wheaties.

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 14, 2002, 02:17:14 PM »

hblair said.... "Why does Lazs remind me of granny on 'The Beverly Hillbillies'? "

what do you mean hblair? I've never thrown anyone out of an arena.

oodee.. I have no problem with anyone having fun any way they can unless it get's in my way in an unfair and/or lopsided manner or..... they are (in this case) claiming some sort of superiority. Perking the Spit to force people into hurris is indeed ruining parity.. shoot yourself in the foot mentallity.

ripsnore... you have spent a grand total of a couple of hours in the CT both tours combined. against my few minutes. neither ne of us is an expert. I base my statements (and make no claims otherwise) on my WB HA experiance and on actual observation of numbers and stats. You seem to base everything on your perception after only a very short time in the arena. Even so... you seem to do better overall against the CT "skilled" players than the MA dweebs plus... you seem to have more K/T in the MA overall making your claims of going to the MA to get out of the excitement ring false. That was allways my experiance in the WB HA too... It was easier to kill and survive in the HA than the Main.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 14, 2002, 02:21:23 PM »

ripsnore... if you think the CT gets your motor running too fast then... you probly sleep with a nightlite.
lazs

Udie at Work · « **Reply #33 on:** February 14, 2002, 02:33:39 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
oodee.. I have no problem with anyone having fun any way they can unless it get's in my way in an unfair and/or lopsided manner or..... they are (in this case) claiming some sort of superiority. Perking the Spit to force people into hurris is indeed ruining parity.. shoot yourself in the foot mentallity.

How does the CT get in the way of you having fun? Please show me one case anywhere that somebody said the CT was more superior to anything? I've seen a few people say they have more fun in there. I've yet to see anybody claim superiority over any arena, unless it was followed by

which denotes a joke.

"Perking the Spit to force people into hurris is indeed ruining parity.. shoot yourself in the foot mentallity. "

Then maybe you can show us or tell us about the history book that says there were more spitfires than hurricanes in the BoB? Who ever said things had to be even? we faught the other night with 10 LW and 20+ Allies. The LW still took it to England

I didn't hear one complaint about side balancing.

I'm not trying to pick on you I'm just trying to figure out why you hate the CT so much when you don't even fly there. Is there something that you want that they're not offering?

Apache · « **Reply #34 on:** February 14, 2002, 02:38:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort

Apache, how many times have you been climbing out, a couple friendlies in front of you, suddenly, the friendlies are now turning tail, going the opposite direction as you, you check the map, red dots (AWACS, unrealistic radar for the era) and there they are, slightly higher than you, now you understand why the friendlies are turning tail, they *know* what the dots are. In the CT arena, unless you have RW, you don't know what they are, you're bound to see if its friend or foe(unless your Laz2, then you look around for Drex to bail your butt out). What I'm saying is the SA is much , much more realistic than the MA. You have even agreed with me in the past that the MA radar is abit too much when you with my squad, so now you've changed your mind?

First, I agreed that the MA radar was a bit much for you and I and our ilk. We are experienced at this thing. Alot aren't and need the "Awacs" thing. Changed my mind? No.

My contention is this. Those that turn tail & run as you stated in your example, are going to run anyway and are more likely inclined to do so especially when they don't know what the dot is. You and I won't. CT versus MA has nothing to do with it.

Wanker · « **Reply #35 on:** February 14, 2002, 02:45:46 PM »

Apache said

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If you're not confident in your skills, a 1 v 1 could be a little disquieting

My lack of skills has never stopped me from trying.

Apache, I think the difference is that in the MA, the adreneline rush comes from avoiding getting gang-banged, whereas the adreneline rush in the CT comes from fighting an intense one on one, or one on two dogfight.

I like the CT because you can fight and then actually disengage and rtb safely. In the MA, there are so many people that I find that once I enter a fight I can seldom disengage from it.

Call me old-fashioned, but one of the more enjoyable aspects of air combat for me is landing my bird back at base after a fight.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 14, 2002, 02:51:29 PM »

oodee.. play there if you like but don't come on here and say that it is just too adreniline filled for us poor MA guys to handle.. If you have not seen any remarks about higher skill levels, more challenging, more realistic, MA mindless furballs, better manners in the CT etc.(all of which claims are either totaly false or debatable) then you are wearing blinders or not being hoinest with yourself. Certainly no one else believes you.

What don't I like about the CT? lack of variety in fights... lopsided planesets... selective realism and "history". unrealistic (to me) icon ranges. worst of all.... cheap perks. Yep, why do those who spend more time in the CT "deserve" better planes? How is that in any way historical mr. "Then maybe you can show us or tell us about the history book that says there were more spitfires than hurricanes in the BoB? Who ever said things had to be even?" like I said... selective realism calculated to give some an inherent advantage over others.... an advantage that has nothing to do with skill. I don't like flying perk planes against people who can't have em and I don't like having em flown against me. So... your add for the CT would be... 'come to the CT.... AH's everquest.... comming soon... buy your perkies on EBAY.."

look.. no sweat off my butt if the CT doubles it's population. It's just more choice so far as I'm concerned. Just don't put down the MA. or, if you do, don't be so thin skinned when you are chastised.
lazs

Apache · « **Reply #37 on:** February 14, 2002, 03:05:59 PM »

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Originally posted by banana
Apache said

My lack of skills has never stopped me from trying.

Apache, I think the difference is that in the MA, the adreneline rush comes from avoiding getting gang-banged, whereas the adreneline rush in the CT comes from fighting an intense one on one, or one on two dogfight.

I like the CT because you can fight and then actually disengage and rtb safely. In the MA, there are so many people that I find that once I enter a fight I can seldom disengage from it.

Call me old-fashioned, but one of the more enjoyable aspects of air combat for me is landing my bird back at base after a fight.

Heya banana. Long time my friend.

That statement was a counterpoint to rips point. I too want to strive to land each and every sortie. I don't, however, avoid gangbangs. Thus my rush comes from the fight.

I think we are talking more of individual styles or tactics instead of arenas. I would fly the CT the same as the MA. I may have to jump thru more hoops but you get my point. Those that will turn tail & run or care not whether they land or not will do in the CT the same as they do in the MA. Thats all I'm saying.

hblair · « **Reply #38 on:** February 14, 2002, 03:23:59 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
hblair said.... "Why does Lazs remind me of granny on 'The Beverly Hillbillies'? "

what do you mean hblair? I've never thrown anyone out of an arena.

No, you've never done that, I don't think Granny has either. What I was eluding to was like Granny, you are ignorant to whats going on and don't know it. For instance:

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Originally posted by lazs2
What don't I like about the CT? lack of variety in fights... lopsided planesets... selective realism and "history". unrealistic (to me) icon ranges. worst of all.... cheap perks. Yep, why do those who spend more time in the CT "deserve" better planes?

-Ok, I just checked the stats, since November 1st you have 21 minutes total time in the Combat Theater. With a whopping 0 kills. Yet you come to these boards with your opinions on why the CT is unsuccessful.

-Lack of variety in fights? Wrong again. I fly in there regularly, I see all planes that are offered in the planeset.

-Selective Realism? Realism? Once more, the CT is an ALTERNATIVE TO THE MAIN ARENA. It's based on an Allied vs. Axis venue. We rotate theaters to keep it fresh. I rarely use the term realism.

-Icon ranges. The CT goers are generally for the shorter icon ranges. They seem to like the increased possibility of a bounce.

-Cheap perks? Our perks are reset weekly when the planesets change. People build up their perks weekly. People are less likely to horde them this way. It is aimed to encourage parity. You haven't flown one sortie since we incorporated this. Therefore your thoughts and opinions are based on no knowledge of anything that happens in the arena, only what you think happens.

So, yeah. You're a lot like Granny. You're very ignorant and don't even know you are. You have 20 minutes experience at the subject you feel you know so much about. That is truly funny. That's why we like you. You're a novelty.

hblair · « **Reply #39 on:** February 14, 2002, 03:27:10 PM »

And Lasz, why didn't you explain the Area Arena to us? I inquired to how it would work, but you wouldn't answer. Why? Please explain this area arena to us.

Thanks.

Udie at Work · « **Reply #40 on:** February 14, 2002, 03:49:43 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
oodee.. play there if you like but don't come on here and say that it is just too adreniline filled for us poor MA guys to handle..

sigh, why must people put words into people's mouths to try and get their point across. Never once did I say any of that.......

If you have not seen any remarks about higher skill levels, more challenging, more realistic, MA mindless furballs, better manners in the CT etc.(all of which claims are either totaly false or debatable) then you are wearing blinders or not being hoinest with yourself

What those are are remarks by people expressing their experiences in the CT. They are subjective opinions which are very debatable, but not false. I'm not wearing blinders, I fly in both arenas about the same amount of time each and they're both fun for the same reasons to me.

What don't I like about the CT? lack of variety in fights... lopsided planesets...

This week that's true, but not last week when all planes were enabled on the axis vs allies set up.

selective realism and "history"

Limitations of the game for now, which is why they had the perk the spit thread in the CT forum. The CT crew does the best they can in this regard.

unrealistic (to me) icon ranges.

That's a subjective opinion. I would prefer having them at d1.0 or less. I can usualy tell the plane type at about 1.5 nautical miles with the zoom key. Others like them the way they are in the main. Some are like I used to be and prefer them off all together. To me any 100ft neon sign over a plane is not realistic, but it's a gameplay consession to help with depth perseption (very old news).

worst of all.... cheap perks. Yep, why do those who spend more time in the CT "deserve" better planes? How is that in any way historical mr. "Then maybe you can show us or tell us about the history book that says there were more spitfires than hurricanes in the BoB? Who ever said things had to be even?"

Who said that CT flyers deserve anything? It's not the MA so why should the CT have the same perk system? They are trying to use the perk system to recreate, as closely as can be, historical match ups. Do you know how long it would take to reach 200 perks in the CT to buy a ride in a 262? The perk points are reset weekly......

like I said... selective realism calculated to give some an inherent advantage over others.... an advantage that has nothing to do with skill. I don't like flying perk planes against people who can't have em and I don't like having em flown against me. So... your add for the CT would be... 'come to the CT.... AH's everquest.... comming soon... buy your perkies on EBAY.."

You will never get it......

look.. no sweat off my butt if the CT doubles it's population. It's just more choice so far as I'm concerned. Just don't put down the MA. or, if you do, don't be so thin skinned when you are chastised.

Ok I tell you what, I'll continue not putting down the MA (I never have). Would you please stop saying I said stuff that didn't? This may be tough as you seem to have an active imagination, but it would be kind of you.....

BTW.. I'd still love to see you flying in the CT, just on the other side from me

NUTTZ · « **Reply #41 on:** February 14, 2002, 04:09:47 PM »

I fly the CT twice as much as the MA.

I have switched sides at the drop of a hat to balance the numbers. One thing I have Noticed from my POV is, and maybe it's me but I just can't seam to fly any LW planes correctly, or the allied rides are far more superior rides. it's probably my lack of experience flying them, but i can't do crap with em, . I know Nath, and Fester can rock in the LW rides. I can't even ride the chutes down right!!!

NUTTZ

airspro · « **Reply #42 on:** February 14, 2002, 04:44:52 PM »

I read this thread only half way down and thought to my self >

guess Ripsnort didn't read HBlair's post in the CT forum .

WTG Rig you are really a "great" salesman . I just bet you won over alot with this post .

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Heath , nice post you made about just this kind of thread . Made me think twice what I might be missing . Talked to reaper last night , we might be coming soon when the numbers are too high in the MA for jabo , and base taking .

BUT look for us as a "target" hehe if your flying Axis

Hope you got those pedals working again ,

cu up
spro

bowser · « **Reply #43 on:** February 14, 2002, 06:09:20 PM »

Oh well, so much for no more anti-MA threads eh Hblair? I thought you made a very good point in that thread in the CT forum...there are about 300-400 people flying in the MA, an arena created by HTC. When you insult the arena, you are insulting the people who choose to fly there and the person who created it.

Nothing wrong with posting how much better the CT is then the MA, but don't be surprised when people defend the MA, or bash the CT in return. By the way, I think you would be hardpressed to find any of these arena vs arena threads started by a MA supporter.

And please...save the "we're not putting down the MA" crap.

bowser

Creamo · « **Reply #44 on:** February 14, 2002, 06:40:00 PM »

I have just started to try and fly the CT even with 4-7 people on. Looks interesting if 30-50 would be in there.

However, it's bad enough I got to agree with most things Laz2 says about it in only 45 minutes there, but when you get Drippy posting how everyone in the MA is missing some elite funhouse, it does at least for me make the low numbers a even less of a squeak than the type of people I know it's going to attract, and more important, the ones it won't.

Who is supposed to believe he's exhausted chasing the dots/knats on the reduced icon screen and he ONLY flys the MA 90% of the time because of that where he FINDS HIS "Squaddies"?

Now thats a true self-appointed fake military commander with dedication to his "squaddies". Only getting 10% of the rush he wants just to reduce his fun level for the betterment of his squad who is what, not able to handle the CT, so they play the MA all the time instead? I got an idea. Get 200 off the combined MAG333 or whatever it is and have em play the CT in all it's adrenline pumping glory.

And I ain't going to go into major flame mode, I'm going to continue to try the CT. It just needs better spokesmen and more people.