Author Topic: A simple way to fix buff dw...<cough> <cough!> errm ... "peculiar" behaviour (Read 474 times)

Pepe · « **on:** February 19, 2002, 02:40:51 AM »

Same concept as for guns (beefed up for gameplay concession) add a substantially big fuel consumption multiplier (another gameplay concession). This way:

a) will have to use reasonable fuel load (so no sailplanes).

b) will have some thoughts about range/fuel loadout (not the average 25% to make the world trip and back).

c) 30k climbing will be tough and will likely finish gliding home. For instance, make fuel consumption such that it a 100% fuel load leaves only 5 mins of level flight after a full throttle 35k climb.

This as an easy and fast fix. Notwithstanding the general look that buff model in general badly needs (and thks Htc. for looking into it)

Cheers,

Pepe

Apar · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2002, 02:58:32 AM »

I like it Pepe,

straffo · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2002, 04:13:16 AM »

The drawback ==> the Jak 9u will be uber if she got legs !!

Seeker · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2002, 05:05:51 AM »

Good idea, Pepe!

It may be a-historic to crank up the fuel burn on buffs, but then again a buff pilot would in real life spend time doing weight and balance calculations, and agonising over the choice between range, flight time and ordinance, which I never do in a Lanc.

I just load 25%; 14 x 1K, hit auto take off, do the shopping come back and decide which base I'm going to pork.

Your suggestion would be an improvement on that....

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2002, 06:25:20 AM »

People drop this topic once and for all! Who the hell told you that buff guns are stronger?

They are NOT! And if you die all the time in a fighter trying to attack buffs then YOU are doing something wrong!

AMEN!

Creamo · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2002, 06:35:30 AM »

I got pissed off and just smashed 4 of them. (check the stats Eskimo, it might have been a more brutal test)

Course it was "Creamo killed 87956" or a varient of the sequence numeral callsign Buff Ace.

Still, I got to gawk at the steamin radiator white HTC graphics on the Dora, and I ran away knowing I was right.

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2002, 06:46:53 AM »

It reminds me of an rooks buff mission somewhere north at Mindanao where they had 3 Lancasters with P-51s and P-38s as escort at about 25k heading prolly for our HQ... I say prolly because I don't know where they were heading... They never made it to theit target... They met me and orel and were all Tempestized

Escorts first and then the lonely Lancasters... I almost feel sorry for those buff drivers when I'm about to send them down in flames at 25+ k it must have taken quite alot of time to get fully loaded lanc to that alt... Oh well and still I always pull the trigger

Creamo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2002, 07:07:15 AM »

Wtg MAD!

Those AH regulars are still pry wondering your powers and ACM mastery. I stand corrected on the newbe dig goof on Buff defence gameplay.

Wilbus · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2002, 07:47:53 AM »

Hehehe, just killed a lanc and a B17 in Dora too, took 2 50 cal hit from the B17 and POOF goes my Radiator, is this thing outside of the plane or what?

Btw, great idea Pepe, maybe they wouldn't outmanuver anything at 25k and up either.

LePaul · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2002, 10:44:02 AM »

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Originally posted by MadBirdCZ
People drop this topic once and for all! Who the hell told you that buff guns are stronger? They are NOT! And if you die all the time in a fighter trying to attack buffs then YOU are doing something wrong!

AMEN!

I've got to applaud you for saying what's pretty obvious. While I usually fly Ar 234s or Lancasters, I can't begin to tell you how many fighters climb slowly up my 6, sit there, hoping I do not see them, and die from a short burst to one wing root.

Then, channel 1, the dummy in the fighter rants how buff guns are over powered, etc etc.

Its tactics, as you mentioned.

The only exception is in the B-17. As a B17 pilot, and as someone whose attacked them in fighters, they have some amazing range on those guns, and the fact they can fire through their own structure is annoying. In a P38, Ive been hit from the B17s 3'oclock position a 1.8k out. 1 hit, 1 engine dead, and down I go. As others have pointed out, the B17 needs to be reviewed.

I like the fuel load idea.

I'm still curious of this Lancaster III we have had more horsepower than is modelled. Someone said it did, but I havent seen any followup posts on that.

There are some really really good hi-alt pilots out there that know how to clean a buffs clock in 1 or 2 passes. We do not need to tune down the buff guns due to someone's lack of skill in attacking them.

And Nop, you still owe me a death

That was a great fight the other night over A32/Baltic

Seeker · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2002, 11:03:44 AM »

The Lanc III (if I've got me models right) had Bristol Hercules engines (same as the Beaufighter); which gave a bit more.

It also had a belly gun, albeit in a similar arrangement to the Ju88 (in other words, not a real "belly ball" like the B-17).

muckmaw · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2002, 11:15:58 AM »

Fuel consumption can afford another look, but the guns are fine.

It's the fighter pilots who (generally) don't know what they're doing. This get them killed by buff guns.

Perfect example, I ran a lone B-26 into enemy Airspace, dropped by ord., and turned to sea, for the return flight. I had 3 Bogs following me, dead six, co alt, trying to catch up. Bog 1 gets within 1K, Tail gun opens up, one missing wing. Bog 2, La7, same story. Now, if you were Bog 3, would'ny you try something different? Nope, came in dead red, Co alt. Kill 3.

Now, I ran into an ace the other night. He knew every one of my weak spots. Came in under me, blasted upward, firing all the way, and then inverted and came back down. I lost an engine and an Aileron. I must have hurt this pony, because he broke off after his second pass. Still, another pass and he would have had me. I can tell an ace from a newb the minute they are within 2k.

And the Aces ALMOST ALWAYS beat my buffs guns.

VWE001 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2002, 11:20:02 AM »

I was out pokin around bish country last week in a G-2 with gondolas and got a B-17 and Lanc that were at about 8k. It sure is more enjoyable to go deep into enemy territory and bounce buffs that are flying together. They must have been deep into conversation because my poor gunnery skills on the B-17 caused me to hose down the whole bird before I shot em down and it never fired one shot at me. Though the Lanc was shootin at me 2k before I got to him...

Revvin · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2002, 12:12:59 PM »

The MkII used the Bristol Hercules ,the MkIII used the Packard Merlin 28, 38 and 224 engines and had a cruising speed of 234mph at 21,000ft with a service ceiling of 23,000ft and an absolute ceiling of 24,500ft with a rate of climb of 250ft/min. This was at a weight of 65,000lb in early examples which increased to 72,000lb in 1945.

Wilbus · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2002, 12:18:52 PM »

Wow! Bring one of those in and let's pork some fields!