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Offline Texman11

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2002, 04:50:19 PM »
Did anyone  besides me notice all previous posts were by senior members?  Gotta post more!

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2002, 08:51:59 PM »
The Voodoo 5500 wasn't at its fill rate limits and is very well documented for its scalability with CPU speed.

I have major problems with 1600 x 1200 x 32 with x4 FSAA, but 1024 x 768 x 32 with x2 FSAA looks better than any other card at higher resolution and/or FSAA and runs fast (60 to 70 fps flying level at alt), though I still get playable framerates with 1024 x 768 x 32 with x4 FSAA or 1600 x 1200 x 32 with x2 FSAA.

GeForce cards tend to be optimized for the card to do most of the work by itself, so changing the processor speed has much less effect on it.

Having seen the difference between Voodoo and Geforce side by side (image quality versus speed), I won't be upgrading my Voodoo until a manufacturer equals its image quality or games become unplayable. I just wish 3dfx had not gone out of business before making a driver with full DX8 support (though in all honesty it only has major bugs in two games I have tried: X-Planes and Warbirds III).

When I get out of school in May, I will be looking to build a top end system, but so far I know I don't want a Radeon 8500 or a GeForce 3/4. I am hoping the next generation due out in December time frame will balance speed with image quality. If not, I may settle for Radeon or GeForce 4, whichever looks better side by side with AH and OFP.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2002, 06:14:43 AM »
Thank you everyone for your input. Am gonna try a few final things before I surrender and just let it be the way it is. Been fooling around with drivers left and right now. Looking at some Geforce tweaks that might help.

Thanks for input :).

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2002, 06:34:22 AM »
Whow.

Turns out I did NOT have DX8.1 installed - only 8.0. Now I get 40-50 fps on the runway at 1280*1024 32 bit.

Unfortunately, graphics is still screwed a bit - need to find another detonator driver. And it still stutters in 32 bit, but that's related to the video card. Some sound problems now: not hearing cannon sounds when I'm firing into the ground. hearing the rounds hit the ground instead. Goonna have to check that out.

Animal, yer quite right: it's an SDR card. I really ought to get meself a new one.

Thanks everyyone for your help - I really appreciate it :)

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2002, 07:49:33 AM »
StSanta,

Perhaps you should uninstall the three web servers you're running on ur machine,  the porn sites are rubbish anyway. I want my money back:D I can't get into the leather fetish site cause mandoble and apar are hoggin all the bandwidth:p

:D ;) :D :D ;) :D

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2002, 08:22:12 AM »
Gremlin, my affiliate program with HTC enables me to support my dru...err, enables me to buy my medicine.

Also, there's a cost in producing all the mpgs  and jpg's. While sheep are relatively cheap to come around, the Playboy models really want some cash before they start fondling the horses. Overpaid bimbos.

I can see on my log list that you're particularly interested in the Men And Horses section - did you see the film featuring the old AH faces - Hangtime, Creamo and the gang? Pretty good eh?

The gem however must be The AK's and the Ewe. That set me back one year of subscription for AH for all AK's. Well worth it. Wulfe in particular really has talents.

The leather section has had bandwidth problem ever since I advertized on CH1 in the main arena - apparently, there's a lot of closet LW in there. I am glad to report that the biggest download by far  up to date is me in my leather g-strings made from bishrook baby skins buttocks - if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. I didn't get many requests on that one until I added the metal studs on the inside.

Rubbish you say? Yes, I can see on the log file how you like rubbish. Am considering adding a section called "Gremlins picks" - but that'd be futile, since it'd be everything on the site. And, some might misread it as "Gremlin's pics", and I already got a section with your pictures on it.

Ooops, I probably shouldn't have said that. And, I should say, that shiny thing that looks like a camera mounted on the roof of your bedroom: it's just a shiny thing that looks like a camera. It ain't a camera. At all.

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2002, 08:29:29 AM »
Santa, do your vid card and sound card share IRQs? that could cause soem stuttering/lost sounds. That would be especially possible if your sound card is in the slot next to the AGP slot. You can check it via Device Manager (forgot where it is exactly and  am at work so can't try).

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2002, 09:23:55 AM »
sound card (sb anyway) are best in slot 3 and its own irq (5 is usually left open). You can disable stuff you dont use to free up irqs as well......

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2002, 09:57:06 AM »
lapa, yeah, looks like they share interrupt channel. Odd. Will have to toy a bit with that.

Seems to be fixed now.

After DX8.1, I got a huge frame rate increase. After Lephturn directed me tothe proper drivers, stutter is minimized, everything is clear.

Will have to see if I can reproduce the sound problem. it isn't crackling anymore, and the test flight I just did registered all sounds properly.

BIG thanks to everyone! It is very much appreciated - I think you can realize how much if you iamgine a poor desperate man finding that his fps is lower after an upgrade, only to, through a series of steps, see it increase, get better, get sharper.

Thanks a bunch!

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2002, 12:06:08 PM »
If you still have problems, it is likely related to your video card and sound card sharing an IRQ.  That's a bad thing. :)

Depending on what mainboard you have, you can likely solve the problem by moving which slot your soundcard is in to one that isn't shared.  As somebody mentioned above, often the 3rd PCI slot has it's own IRQ, but you should check your mainboard manual to be sure.

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2002, 12:31:18 PM »
Glad to hear you found the problem, and yes, DX8.1 was an upgrade in 3D performance for me too (though not as dramatic) :)

Sounds like you are getting about the same performance I am... which makes sense since we have the same mobo and cpu.
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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2002, 01:03:25 PM »
So what was the fix?

Or should i only be getting 20 fps on the runway with:



abit kt7 RAID
1.4 ghz Tbird
GeForce II MX 400 (32 meg)
768 megs 133mhz (micron/cas2)
2 x WesternDigital 30 gig hard drive @ 7200 rpm running RAID +0
PCI512 SB



When nothing but sky on the screen i get 50+ fps, but sitting on the run-way or tower, and ecspecaily the hanger, i have total crap FPS

AGP apature(SP) size is already set to 128, ive tried all settings and that seems to be the optimal setting.

im considering buying a raedon 8500 this weekend, but rent, cable, car payment and insurance all due..ahh screw it, who needs groceries!

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2002, 01:12:35 PM »
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Lastly, something I haven't quite worked out yet: Installed the CPU, everything works fine, yet when I start up, the BIOS mumbles something about CPUID not being correct and it therefore cannot update the bios.


 This one I can fix.Clearing the cmos won't help.When this board came out,the 1ghz cpu's didn't exist.
 I owned the Asus P3V4X motherboard,and got the exact same error message while using their latest official bios.

 I went to Asus beta's bios section,found the one for my motherboard,flashed it,and the problem was solved.

 I suspect they never made any effort to make them official as that mobo is now 2-3 generations back.

 I'll check after work to see if they have a beta bios for your board.They had sveral revisions of yours...was it just CUV4X?No c or d on the end?

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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2002, 01:45:13 PM »
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Originally posted by Am0n
So what was the fix?

Or should i only be getting 20 fps on the runway with:



abit kt7 RAID
1.4 ghz Tbird
GeForce II MX 400 (32 meg)
768 megs 133mhz (micron/cas2)
2 x WesternDigital 30 gig hard drive @ 7200 rpm running RAID +0
PCI512 SB



When nothing but sky on the screen i get 50+ fps, but sitting on the run-way or tower, and ecspecaily the hanger, i have total crap FPS

AGP apature(SP) size is already set to 128, ive tried all settings and that seems to be the optimal setting.

im considering buying a raedon 8500 this weekend, but rent, cable, car payment and insurance all due..ahh screw it, who needs groceries!


Hard to say without you telling us what resolution that is.  

FWIW, the Geforce II MX cards are sorta crap.  The 400 is better than the 200, but they're still not particualrly powerful.  Not in the same league as the GF2 Pro/Ultra/Ti.  Alot of prefab manufacturers like SystemMax & whatnot throw them in there because people see the GeForce name and think they're gettig a rocking card.  But they're at the bottom of the GF heap.

Some folks may warn you away from the 8500, but I'm happy with mine.  The drivers were CRAP for a long time, but the latest release is solid & fast.  I get higher framerates & 3DMark scores with  the 8500 in both my Athlon 1.4 and my 1900+ than I do with my GeForce 3.   Haven't checked the prices in about a month, but I paid considerably less for my 8500 than I did for the GF3.

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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2002, 02:13:53 PM »
1280x1024x32 (not going to run 16 bit, i know its faster)

pretty sure thats what it is set at, im at work now so i cannot know for sure.

in 3dmark 2000 i score 5600 on the defualt benchmark.

Yea i know the geforce II MX are the low end cards. with sdram and slow GPU cant expect much from it. But with the rest of my system i figure i should be getting better frames despite the bottle-necking graphics card.