Author Topic: Yikes! Check out the stats for the Hurri (Read 643 times)

Widewing · « **on:** February 20, 2002, 05:36:21 PM »

I find this somewhat amazing. Hurricane IIC K/D against all types, so far this tour:

1042/878 or 1.187:1......

Moreover, it scores virtually the same against the other turnfighters.

Against-

A6M5b: 32/23
SpitIX: 103/81
Seafire: 31/30
SpitV: 52/50

1.183:1

Rather impressive for a fighter of its age and design.

I suspect that some of the better sticks are spending time in the Hurricane. If not, what happens if they do?

My regards,

Widewing

paintmaw · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2002, 05:42:50 PM »

In real life the Hurrican had better kill ratio than a spit

eskimo2 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2002, 05:57:36 PM »

The Hurri is a great base defender.
25% fuel and that little hispano clip can spoil an attack.

Widewing,
I just checked out the site in your signature.
Are you connected to it in any way?
Either way, good site, you should plug it with a post.

eskimo

Thrawn · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2002, 06:33:09 PM »

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Originally posted by paintmaw
In real life the Hurrican had better kill ratio than a spit

Not during the BOB. Not sure about the rest of the war, but I highly doubt it.

I'll post the BOB stats when I get home from work, in about 5 hours.

Widewing · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2002, 11:52:33 PM »

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Originally posted by eskimo2
The Hurri is a great base defender.
25% fuel and that little hispano clip can spoil an attack.

Widewing,
I just checked out the site in your signature.
Are you connected to it in any way?
Either way, good site, you should plug it with a post.

eskimo

Yeah, I've got about a 3/1 ratio in the Hurricane.

The Planes and Pilots of WWII is my site. I've been working on it since 1998. However, it's tough finding the time to update it on a regular basis. Most of my writing time is spent on book and magazine projects with Warren Bodie. I do some editing as well.

My regards,

Widewing

streakeagle · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2002, 11:59:24 PM »

Could it be the the Hurricane II with its 4 x 20 mm Hispanos and top notch turn performance might be discovered by the masses and become the favorite dweeb plane on a level comparable to the Hog-C? Standing by to see if one of the oldest planes in the set becomes overused and gets perked

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2002, 02:03:51 AM »

Just wait for Hurricane Mk. I

SOB · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2002, 02:14:39 AM »

Try the Hurricane IID. It's harder to kill with, but oh the satisfaction of watching the nme fall to bits when hit with a 40mm!

Oh baby!

SOB

Kieran · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2002, 06:24:49 AM »

All I can remember is the hand-wringing and angst about the Hurri being included (from the cross-wearing contingent). Seeing that it has been fully realized as the terror as it was prophesied can only send them back to wetting the bed...

straffo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2002, 06:40:59 AM »

quake call that Quad damage

StSanta · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2002, 10:12:05 AM »

Heh, have flown the Hurricane 4*BFG 20mm in H2H.

It's funny to see your target disintegrate from 2-4 hits

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F4UDOA · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2002, 10:37:17 AM »

That's why this is Cannon's High instead of Aces High. An obsolete A/C should not have a positve K/D in a 1944 Plane set. IRL the Hurricane was no match for the A6M5 in any respect.

IMHO the gunnery model or at least the damage model is way to sensative in AH. I have documented encounters of F4U's and F6F's returning from missions with 40plus 20Mill holes from NIK2's. P-38's returning with giant AA holes in the wings. In AH just a few hits results in either instant death or catastrophic damage. Their are way to many snapshot kills in AH. It just didn't happen that way.

Does anyone other than me think that the limited damage model in the TA is more realistic?

Hooligan · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2002, 11:10:29 AM »

I tend to think the damage should be less predictable. Aircraft should die more often from a single 20mm hit, and also survive a dozen 20mm hits more often. But overall I think do think planes tend to die from a realistic number of hits.

Also a lot of people don't care if they die in the MA (at least don't care if they die as long as they accomplish some goal along the way). So with plenty of players exposing themselves to horrendous risks, I would expect anything with heavy armament to get a lot of kills in the MA. Almost every fighter in the set is significantly faster than a Hurri. If you actually keep your speed up a little you can easily avoid being killed by the likes of hurris, a6ms and c202s. People just choose otherwise.

Just my opinions.

Hooligan

DarkglamJG52 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2002, 11:14:44 AM »

Hurri with 2x40 mm it's perfect panzer killer.

Apache · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2002, 11:19:56 AM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
That's why this is Cannon's High instead of Aces High. An obsolete A/C should not have a positve K/D in a 1944 Plane set. IRL the Hurricane was no match for the A6M5 in any respect.

IMHO the gunnery model or at least the damage model is way to sensative in AH. I have documented encounters of F4U's and F6F's returning from missions with 40plus 20Mill holes from NIK2's. P-38's returning with giant AA holes in the wings. In AH just a few hits results in either instant death or catastrophic damage. Their are way to many snapshot kills in AH. It just didn't happen that way.

Does anyone other than me think that the limited damage model in the TA is more realistic?

I think one of the keys lies in your post f4udoa, (btw, heya). You have documentation of returning aircraft with numerous 20mm holes. In AH, we don't get holes, we get parts knocked off or at least thats the graphic representation.

My point. When we receive damage in AH, are we actually flying without a rudder for example, or is it a damaged rudder? I for one haven't a clue.