Author Topic: What exactly was pre-1.04 like? (Read 848 times)

Kweassa · « **on:** March 01, 2002, 04:20:05 AM »

I hear people mentioning the FMs have been changed since

AH 1.04 or something. I myself started AH when it was 1.05,

and have no idea what it was like before.

What was so different about prer-1.04 Flight Models?

Would you guys consider current models better, or the older
flight models better? And why??

Really curious..

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2002, 05:28:01 AM »

As an example,
In that old version, the N1K2/Spits etc were excelent turners, but only average zoomers.
After that version these planes became what they are now.

Mitsu · « **Reply #2 on:** March 01, 2002, 06:45:29 AM »

I loved old FMs.
N1K2 was not so uber turner.
Spit9 too I think.

Wilbus · « **Reply #3 on:** March 01, 2002, 06:54:24 AM »

Loved old version aswell, newer version more realistic in some aspects but think that some planes have definatly been porked.

E retation in 1.03 was much less.

K West · « **Reply #4 on:** March 01, 2002, 07:33:13 AM »

The P-47 was like a chariot of the Gods'. A dog fighters dream at any alt. And the P-38 was uber and never slowed down... at all!

Westy

ra · « **Reply #5 on:** March 01, 2002, 08:23:00 AM »

The P-38 was only porked for the first week or so of its release, then a patch fixed it.

The overall FM for all planes pre 1.04 had dramatically less E retention. I liked it much better, even spits would run out of E after a few tight turns. Everyone says the new FM is more realistic, I'll take their word for it. There's no going back now, even if it was proven that planes now have too much E retention, half the players would leave.

ra

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #6 on:** March 01, 2002, 08:34:29 AM »

But, what exactly was changed to have a so tremendous impact on some aircrafts handling?

Wilbus · « **Reply #7 on:** March 01, 2002, 09:06:20 AM »

What I want to know aswell Mando, it wasn't a slight improvement in E retation, it was a leap as if you compare a Fokker Eindecker with a 109.

(almost anyway)

Remember when I was flying 1.03 near the 1.04 release, Hitech was in and tested the new FM, flying a P38.

I dind't know at the time it was him so I zoomed up ater an attack on him, in 109 G10 which was my main ride back then, he zoomed up after me and although I had FAR more speed he caught me (1.03 for me 1.04 for him) just when he was about to fire (he was stalling too) 300 on my 6, he blew up, and there was Harppa and his G2

Ripsnort · « **Reply #8 on:** March 01, 2002, 09:27:31 AM »

Rudder reaction from rudder input was about 5 fold in pre-V1.04.

Harppa · « **Reply #9 on:** March 01, 2002, 09:30:16 AM »

Hey !
I remember that !
There was our good old friend Ibreh as well. III/JG5 was quite new then, we were only 3 of us flying .

Oh well, changing from 1.03 to 1.04 reduced our numbers to 2 :-(

Harppa
XO
Livestock Liberation Front
-or whatever...

Wilbus · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2002, 09:32:39 AM »

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2002, 09:34:03 AM »

It was a LW lovers dream.. every plane turned within a second or so of every other plane. Planes that climbed or accelerated well were best. A low plane could not evade from a B&Z attack. When i flew it, everyone just kinda circled at alt waiting for a plane to come along that was lower or for someone to lose a little e in a fight so that they could then bounce em. Very little acm... all "tactics"
lazs

skernsk · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2002, 09:54:12 AM »

Well you couldn't scissor or make two turns without hitting the stall (from what I remember). Now dogfights are much better in that you can maneuver without losing too much speed.

Also, gravity was at 2x what was normal which changed my gunnery all to hell for a month or so when they changed flight models.

I like it much better now.

Replicant · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2002, 10:11:50 AM »

The Tiffy was a right squeak to fly when it first came out, especially trying to land the damned thing.... you'd be on approach and if you weren't at the exact right speed you'd flip it over... boom!

In general pre-1.04 was much harder, most, if not all, the planes were harder to fly and stall horns a plenty was a common thing. Either that or the joystick I was using at the time was just far too crap! lol

Regards

Nexx

SpinDoc1 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2002, 10:42:06 AM »

Does anyone have the actual .exe files for the original versions of AH? I know someone posted a long time ago, but wanted to get my hands on some of those. My email is DaLadyzMon@aol.com, if anyone is willing to send me those. Thanks!