Bomb in Jerusalem

[babek-]

What a ridiculous argumentation.

The Arabs are not a homogene race or nation.

The land of the Paestines belongs to them. It was stolen by an illegitime UNO-resolution and for decades they have to suffer under israeli terror.

Your suggestion would be as logical as the following:

Let the UNO decide per majority that the jews can live in the territory of the Netherlands.
The people who lived there before could go to the neighboring countries - these are also white christian nations - so whats the problem. They have so many land - so surely they wont oppose this idea and give happily the foreigners their land.

Lets face the fact:

As long as Israel continues its terror it will not integrate in the region and be a foreign body. A foreign body which needs supports from outside to survive.
Today the support from the european countries and also in Germany is reduced more and more.

And finally - maybe in decades maybe in a shorter time - this foreign body will fall under the pressure.

If the Israeli government continues to act like the leadership of Nazi Germany decades before in the occupied territories, it deserves this fate.

The only chance for both people to live in peace in the region will come, when moderate and intelligent politicians act - like DeGaulle and Adenauer after WW2.

But when the radical faniatics on both sides continue their mad work Israel will finally be destroyed.

[Nashwan]

so what happens when Israel pulls out the stops and eliminates Palestine, basically "conquering" the land mass and taking over, (whats left) having complete control of the area...

what will the countries that back Palestine do?

Israel has already done that, and it didn't solve anything.

There are about 4 - 4.5 million Arabs living in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

What do you suggest Israel does with them?

[mrfish]

oh i see so your phony-ass god told you israel was yours forever so that's your authority.

obviously with that mindset you would never accept the arabs living there as anything but slaves so don't pretend there's a peaceful solution. you shot doen the resolution to share in '48 and you never had any intention other than conquest. but you zionists were total wussies about it because you had to have the UN do all your dirty-work.

no wonder the bible, torah etc are all so full of strife, war, cheating, backstabbing and smiting - a god invented by jews to express their fantasies.

i'd recognize israel in a second if you all promised to move there and stay out of my country.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Nashwan

Israel has already done that, and it didn't solve anything.

There are about 4 - 4.5 million Arabs living in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

What do you suggest Israel does with them?

I don't know. I was thinking more along the lines of total domination whereas Israel sets up a police state, they in turn go door to door and dig out any against the "new" government, etc...

Not that I think this is the solution but I see this as a possible course of action given Israel’s superior military might. Then they would be in total control, control of any and all news/reports coming out of the area and would handle the problem even rougher than they are doing now.

Doesn’t Palestine worry about this? Wouldn't what they have now be better than that? Do they think/know the neighboring countries would rush to their aid militarily?

Just questions that I don't know the answers to. I'd really be pissed if this were to escalate into WW3 or the like... just hard to comprehend countries smaller than the size of some of our states with populations the size of our cities causing all this trouble and unrest for the entire world...

[Wotan]

Israeli supperior military strength comes directly from the us.

I would support the us suppling the palistinians with the same military capabilities as the Zionist State.

That way you wussies could feel better when the violence between equal military forces. Maybe that would shut up half the folks who say "Israeli Violence" is justified because it originates as a military excersive. They always ignore acts of Israeli militant violence.

These same people ignore the fact that the palistinians are only resisting with the tools they have.

Eagler please describe when Israell has proven to be our friend? Its currently a one sided affair. The US providing the tools they need to maintain their racist Zionist state. Not only is this wrong and against what America claims to stand for but it guarrantees the same problems the US now faces in the middle east.

The palistinians are just goy, cattle to be put down to make room for the racist Zionist philosphy to expand.

Read about the liberty in the links above......

 what a friend we have in Israel. lol

[Nashwan]

I don't know. I was thinking more along the lines of total domination whereas Israel sets up a police state, they in turn go door to door and dig out any against the "new" government, etc...

Like I said, they already tried that.

Go and read up on the conditions in the Gaza strip and West Bank in the 70s and 80s under Israeli occupation.

[Dune]

The Core of Muslim Rage
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
 
The latest death toll in the Indian violence between Hindus and Muslims is 544 people, many of them Muslims. Why is it that when Hindus kill hundreds of Muslims it elicits an emotionally muted headline in the Arab media, but when Israel kills a dozen Muslims, in a war in which Muslims are also killing Jews, it inflames the entire Muslim world?

I raise this point not to make some idiot press critique or engage in cheap Arab-bashing. This is a serious issue. In recent weeks, whenever Arab Muslims told me of their pain at seeing Palestinians brutalized by Israelis on their TV screens every night, I asked back: Why are you so pained about Israelis brutalizing Palestinians, but don't say a word about the brutality with which Saddam Hussein has snuffed out two generations of Iraqis using murder, fear and poison gas? I got no good answers.

Because the real answer is rooted in something very deep. It has to do with the contrast between Islam's self-perception as the most ideal and complete expression of the three great monotheistic religions — Judaism, Christianity and Islam — and the conditions of poverty, repression and underdevelopment in which most Muslims live today.

As a U.S. diplomat in the Middle East said to me, Israel — not Iraq, not India — is "a constant reminder to Muslims of their own powerlessness." How could a tiny Jewish state amass so much military and economic power if the Islamic way of life — not Christianity or Judaism — is God's most ideal religious path?

When Hindus kill Muslims it's not a story, because there are a billion Hindus and they aren't part of the Muslim narrative. When Saddam murders his own people it's not a story, because it's in the Arab-Muslim family. But when a small band of Israeli Jews kills Muslims it sparks rage — a rage that must come from Muslims having to confront the gap between their self-perception as Muslims and the reality of the Muslim world.

I have long believed that it is this poverty of dignity, not a poverty of money, that is behind a lot of Muslim rage today and the reason this rage is sharpest among educated, but frustrated, Muslim youth. It is they who perpetrated 9/11 and who slit the throat of the Wall Street Journal reporter Danny Pearl — after reportedly forcing him to declare on film, "I am a Jew and my mother is a Jew."

This is not to say that U.S. policy is blameless. We do bad things sometimes. But why is it that only Muslims react to our bad policies with suicidal terrorism, not Mexicans or Chinese? Is it because Arab-Muslim conspiracy theories state that Jews could not be so strong on their own — therefore the only reason Israel could be strong, and Muslims weak, is because the U.S. created and supports Israel?

The Muslim world needs to take an honest look at this rage. Look what it has done to Palestinian society — where the flower of Palestinian youth now celebrate suicide against Jews as a source of dignity. That is so bad. Yes, there is an Israeli occupation, and that occupation has been hugely distorting of Palestinian life. But the fact is this: If Palestinians had said, "We are going to oppose the Israeli occupation, with nonviolent resistance, as if we had no other options, and we are going to build a Palestinian society, schools and economy, as if we had no occupation" — they would have had a quality state a long time ago. Instead they have let the occupation define their whole movement and become Yasir Arafat's excuse for not building jobs and democracy.

Only Muslims can heal their own rage. But the West, and particularly the Jewish world, should help. Because this rage poses an existential threat to Israel. Three broad trends are now converging: (1) The worst killing ever between Israelis and Palestinians; (2) a baby boom in the Arab-Muslim world, where about half the population is under 20; (3) an explosion of Arab satellite TV and Internet, which are taking the horrific images from the intifada and beaming them directly to the new Arab- Muslim generation. If 100 million Arab-Muslims are brought up with these images, Israel won't survive.

Some of this hatred will remain no matter what Israel does. But to think that Israel's exiting the occupied territories — and abandoning its insane settlement land grab there — wouldn't reduce this problem is absurd.

Israel cannot do it alone. But it has to do all it can to get this show off the air. It would take away an important card from the worst Muslim anti- Semites and it would help strengthen those Muslims, and there are many of them, who know that the suicidal rage of their fanatics is dragging down their whole civilization.

From the NYTimes

[mrfish]

"The Core of Muslim Rage
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN"

- and you don't think the author's name reveals a bias?

[~Caligula~]

- and you don't think the author's name reveals a bias?

And you don`t think there`s truth in what he has to say?
mrfish u`re one bigot antisemitic,racist son of a squeak.
a shame of human kind.

[babek-]

Originally posted by mrfish
"The Core of Muslim Rage
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN"

- and you don't think the author's name reveals a bias?

LOL

Yes mrfish - you are right.

The article has many faults and is not worth of further comments.

[mrfish]

" is "a constant reminder to Muslims of their own powerlessness." How could a tiny Jewish state amass so much military and economic power if the Islamic way of life — not Christianity or Judaism — is God's most ideal religious path?"

i'll tell you how, the u.s. gave them their military and their country with dollars from the fruits of american labor and industry. even the technology you dangle over the arabs was bought by u.s. workers.

no wimpy, flacid little seinfeld or woody allen would last a minute against your average arab without a u.s. made f-16 to protect him. what'r they gonna do whine them to death!?

i think it's perfectly legit to point out that it is a jew reporter writing a piece about how the arabs can make things all better in the middle east.  like we didn't get enough of that from larry king, wolf blitzer, greenfield at large...and all the anonymous writers hiding behind them...ad nauseum

no doubt you'd rather the masses never noticed that.

your parasitic people have milked the good natured (if not very critical) american public for long enough.

they never meant for the palestinians to go through all that, they just tried to help you out with a homeland. you may underestimate how hard the public can react when they realize they've been taken. they are only generous to a point and then even the good ol boys will start to catch on.

the u.s. isn't entirely in your pocket yet schmutz.

at heart the american people don't want to be a part of this charade in the middle east...they just want to do what's right - eventually the bought-and-paid-for politician's magic tonic will wear off. what will happen to israel when you are left alone there to reap what you've sown.

[takeda]

Ok here are more texts from "antisemites". Read them carefully as I think they are far better qualified to speak about the matter than some fat bellybutton lobby payed columnist.

Asaf Oron. Sergeant 1st class. Infantry. IDF

http://www.seruv.org.il/signers/AsafOroneng.asp


Dan Tamir. Captain. Paratroopers. IDF

http://www.seruv.org.il/signers/dantamir.asp


Tar Belo. Staff Sergeant. Armored Corps. IDF.
(This one cries 'Nam! in your face)

http://www.seruv.org.il/signers/TalBeloeng.asp

[Staga]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~


And you don`t think there`s truth in what he has to say?
mrfish u`re one bigot antisemitic,racist son of a squeak.
a shame of human kind.

So is this that "Antisemitic" card everyone is talking about when pro-israel people run out of excuses

[babek-]

CC - its their last kind of argumentation - but meanwhile no one take this serious anymore, especially when you see day by day that israeli military hordes behave in the same terroristic matter like the Nazi troops decades before...

[straffo]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~



And you don`t think there`s truth in what he has to say?
mrfish u`re one bigot antisemitic,racist son of a squeak.
a shame of human kind.

tss tss ... pretty low argument ... in fact I don't see any in your post