Petition to change the name of the Hien on AH

[jbroey3]

If were going to get that far into detail Dutchmann.. i think aces should start having,,,,


Accurate representations of the internal modeling of the aircraft.

(ie,.... Accurate instruments... languages.. for each plane, the way parts of the instruments look,.. and other signifcant pertenant relfections of what the aircraft truely look like, as to correspoond to the level of naming detail that you speak.)

How about it Hitech?.. very detailed.. cockpits.. ala IL2 to match the very specific naming conventions used for each type.. and the associated languages that are marked on each planes surface/interior?.

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by jbroey3
If were going to get that far into detail Dutchmann.. i think aces should start having,,,,


Accurate representations of the internal modeling of the aircraft.

(ie,.... Accurate instruments... languages.. for each plane, the way parts of the instruments look,.. and other signifcant pertenant relfections of what the aircraft truely look like, as to correspoond to the level of naming detail that you speak.)

How about it Hitech?.. very detailed.. cockpits.. ala IL2 to match the very specific naming conventions used for each type.. and the associated languages that are marked on each planes surface/interior?.

Hiya jbroey3,

Thanks for your interest.  I would too be interested in using gauges that shows in the metric system for example.  

However, that is slightly more than what we are asking for at the moment I think.  Kindly allow me to show you another side of this story, really specific to HTC...

Imagine yourself as Mitsu, for one moment, who was asked by HTC to provide him with a paint job for the Ki-61.  

(Disclaimer: the following conversation is a recreation of a story Mitsu told me, can be denied by anyone, cause it's just a rumor )

Superfly - "Mitsu, would you be kind enough to provide me a paint scheme of the Ki-61?"
Mitsu - "Sure, Superfly, which one?"
Superfly - "the Ki-61-I-KAIc."
Mitsu - (I haven't heard of that before...) "Is that the third subtype or the fourth one?"
Superfly - (Why the question?... oh well...) "It's the third one I believe.  Isn't it the Ki-61-I-c?"
Mitsu - "Oh, the Ki-61-I-c, then it must be the third subtype.  Ok, let me go take a look... ahh this is a nice one, it's the Ki-61-I-Hei of Commander Kobayashi of the 244th Fighter Squadron."
Superfly - "Thanks Mitsu!  Appreciate it!"
Mitsu - "Anytime Superfly!  Glad to be of help!"

Mitsu - "Ahh the Hien is coming "

In the meantime at the HTC HQ...
Pyro - "Ok, time for the release! Superfly, you got the artwork for me?"
Superfly - "Oh yes I do, right here.. the Ki-61-I-Hei."
Pyro - (I haven't heard of that before...) "ah... which one is it?"
Superfly - "the Ki-61-I-Hei, like you asked, the Ki-61-I-c"
Pyro - "You mean the Ki-61-I-KAIc, the third subtype?"
Superfly - "Oh yeah the third one yes."
Pyro - "Good, the one with the Ho-5"
Superfly - "No..."
Pyro - "eh?"
Superfly - "no, it doesn't have the Ho-5"
Pyro - "But it's the third subtype, right?"
Superfly - "Yes, but no Ho-5"
The whole HTC -

When the announcement came...
Mitsu - "Uh, oh..." (calls on Superfly...) "Superfly... I thought you told me the Model 1 Hei?"
Superfly - "Sorry my man, we don't know what is going on.  In short, we are confused, kindly forward me the paint job for the Ki-61-I-Tei, and we'll work things out on our end..."

Really, this is a problem of using several conventions to refer to the same thing.

As I implied earlier, I am sure HTC was able to find documentation refering to the Ki-61-I-KAIc which describes it the way it is modelled right now on AH.  However, can we find the same plane in Japanese documents?  Answer is no.

I am also sure that people like Mitsu will be called on again to help out with HTC, of which we would be glad to help out.  

For information on Ki-61, please refer to this thread: Info on the Ki61

Well, that's it for now...

[Mitsu]

hehe...FD...you da man. thanks.
now it's time to change the name of the Ki-61 right?

also Ki-67 doesn't have full name now.
it should be Ki-67-I-Otsu.

-Mitsu

[Hajo]

I'm definately FOR changing the name of the "tony" to match the aircraft.  Anything that brings more true immersion to the game is just fine with me.  Where do I sign the petition??????

[ra]

My brain hurts.  If the Ki-61 in AH never existed, we should change it to one that did exist.  Who cares what they call it, that is secondary.  Let's call it Tony.

ra

[Mitsu]

Let's learn it.

If you have an interest.
We can provide for you any information by internet.

Mit

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Mitsu
Stab./JG1 "Oesau"
"Let me fly Tony, it's an Axis plane!"

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by ra
My brain hurts.

hehehe I am sure it does.  And I am sure that is the state of everyone's mind, also at HTC when they are tackling this issue.

Originally posted by ra
If the Ki-61 in AH never existed, we should change it to one that did exist.  Who cares what they call it, that is secondary.  Let's call it Tony.

Yeah, we can also take that approach.  It's like Chicken or the Egg.  Talk about the name first to clarify what we model or model it first and name it later.  I opt to clarify the name first so we wouldn't have to deal with this issue over and over again.

[Hamish]

FD: Thanks for keeping on this, I swear i learn more history reading this BBS from people like you, than i ever could in a class On the subject matter, I agree. and hope HTC does change the name to more closely reflect the model of KI-61 we have. I do have a question, on the model that more closely resembles the one we have armament wise(the KI-61-I-Tei) I am curious, did the 4 fuel tanks mean the version had more fuel? what were the capacity of them then? or was it the same amount of fuel, only in 2 smaller tanks? I am sure HTC would need specifications on the tanks, and wieght distribution of fuel with them were they to correct the model we have. Also, If they do change the name, i hope before they finalize any changes they add another KI-61, and that being the -I-Hei, because it would be a shame to waste the beautiful artwork Superfly did on it. I honestly think that if they do alter anything with it, that they would change it to the -I-Hei version, and just swap out the guns, modeling another paint scheme would probably be a pain. Has anyone from HTC contacted you or Mitsu on this? Hey Pyro, HT, Any comments?

[FDutchmn]

Hiya Hamish!

Thanks for your response.  Kindly refer to this thread too: Info on the Ki61

Originally posted by Hamish
I do have a question, on the model that more closely resembles the one we have armament wise(the KI-61-I-Tei) I am curious, did the 4 fuel tanks mean the version had more fuel? what were the capacity of them then? or was it the same amount of fuel, only in 2 smaller tanks? I am sure HTC would need specifications on the tanks, and wieght distribution of fuel with them were they to correct the model we have.

Sizes of the tanks are stated in the thread above.  The fourth tank gives the Ki-61-1-Tei 95 liters more capacity than the Ki-61-I-Hei.  This was located aft of the pilot's seat if I remember correctly.  We have a diagram (together with the caption) describes where it is located.

Originally posted by Hamish
Also, If they do change the name, i hope before they finalize any changes they add another KI-61, and that being the -I-Hei, because it would be a shame to waste the beautiful artwork Superfly did on it. I honestly think that if they do alter anything with it, that they would change it to the -I-Hei version, and just swap out the guns, modeling another paint scheme would probably be a pain.

You mean,... make another version of the Ki-61 and have the Ki-61-I-Hei and the Ki-61-I-Tei available on AH?  Hey, that's a thought!  Kinda want the Ki-61-II-Kai too...

To answer J_A_Bs question, as far as we know (well... Mitsu, he is more of the expert), in the autobiography of Mr. S. Koyama, pilot of the Ki-61 at 68th Fighter Squadron where the Ki-61 was used, it says that the MG151/20 on the Ki-61-I-Hei carried 150 rounds each (as compared to 120 rpg on the Ho-5 on the Ki-61-I-Tei).  I am wondering if this coincides with the description Mr. Tony Williams gave us on this thread:  What is the Ki-61-I-KAIc

Originally posted by Tony Williams
However, the Ki-61-1b was fitted with a pair of imported 20mm MG 151 cannon, chambered for a fifth round, the Mauser 20x82.

will that allow for 150 rounds on a gun?  nahhh, it must be chamber where the belt was kept.  this point might be irrelevant.  Me no expert on guns

welp, that's it for now...

[Wulfmen]

HT please change the Name, this Japanwhinners makes a Luftwobble very nervous


my vote is change Name to Tai, and add the Aux Tank in., and give that nice Plane the right camuflough


greets
ede

[DblTrubl]

No need for apologies FD. I don't feel picked on.  The Hein is my favorite Japanese aircraft, but unfortunately I'm still rather ignorant about many details of its development and career in service...including (obviously) nomenclature. Credible information about Japanese planes is simply not as readily available here as it is for many allied types. At least in my experience.

The info I posted in that other thread was the most detailed I could find with a quick web search. It was from a site for scale modelers and I was a little skeptical of its accuracy but decided to throw it out there anyway. I might also clarify that it called the variants in question "Ki-61-Ia (modified) or (otsu)", and "Ki-61-Ib (modified) or (otsu)". The use of both terms and the ( ) was/is a little confusing to me. I don't speak Japanese and figured it was being translated for ignoramuses like myself so I just posted the "otsu" part. In any case, my main motivation for posting was to shed some light on the number of aircraft that recieved the MG 151s, as Mitsu's post before mine did not give a specific number, iirc. 388...was that part right at least?

BTW...great info in this thread, and I agree completely. If the model doesn't match the name...FIX IT!!  And while you're at it HTC...why not just give us a couple more Kawasakis. I'd love a Ki-61-II (which one had 4 Ho-5s? Did such a creature acually exist? )and a Ki-100.

[Seeker]

FD, did Mandoble put you up to this?

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by Seeker
FD, did Mandoble put you up to this?

Cant get it Seeker ...

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by jbroey3
as to correspoond to the level of naming detail that you speak. the very specific naming conventions used for each type..

This comment has been kinda bothering me a bit, cuz I am not a historian and not at all knowledgable into WW2 aircrafts, so I have a question...

How many naming conventions are there for an allied aircraft, especially that of the British and the Americans and Canadians where it uses the English language to begin with?  Isn't there only one for one specific plane?

Please enlighten me...

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by Hamish
Has anyone from HTC contacted you or Mitsu on this?

bahhhhh,

unfortunately no... I hope they are reading this thread...