spits, spits, and more spits.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
And now you just complain about that week. As if it is the standard for all that is CT. You can't quit playing because the CT is a certain way and then maintain it is still that way.

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I never maintained that it was still that way.  Do you even read what I post?

The first thing a person does when they get into a bad numbers situation is to look at the roster and cry "numbers are skewed"... even though only 20% of the enemy was in your area... and there's only a 1.5:1 numbers advantage. I guarantee... somewhere else someone in your country is engaging the enemy with a numbers advantage.

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I don't recall you flying at any time when I was around.  Funny, then, that you demonstrate perfect knowledge of what was going on in the CT during the times I was flying there.  By and large, the Sicily terrain created massive furballs in limited areas owing to the map layout.  Luftwaffe often had no choice in this matter when pigeonholed into the southeastern/eastern portion of the island.  There wasn't much choice involved.  It was fun in this context because it meant that the fights were relatively easy to find, and the time to the fight wasn't very long.  The reasons it wasn't fun for me have already been discussed.

Why bother? People only remember the bad times when they are posting about the here and now on this BBS. They only remember the good times when they are posting about the past. That's why someone will insist that the CT is like the good ole days... and then get pissed when they discover its exactly like the good ole days.

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I have little inclination to check out the CT again for the time being.  I'm having fun doing other things, but that doesn't mean that the CT hasn't changed for the better.  However, as long as what I'm doing right now continues to bring me enjoyment, I don't see why I should change it for the sake of a CT.  If you want a positive spin on the entire Sicily setup, it did reintroduce me to what an extraordinary plane the 205 can be.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[AKDejaVu]

Let me make this very clear for you dmf... and for many others that are doing the same thing.

This thread started out about someone complaining that he is fighting too many spitfires.  He didn't complain about skewed numbers, nor anything else.

Alas... the springboard is set for everyone and their mother to come in and tell why they no longer fly in the CT.

DID THE PRESENCE OF THE SPITFIRE CAUSE THIS?  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD STARTED OUT AS!

sheesh.

I'm sorry that you don't like the CT enough to fly in it right now.  I have not flown in it this week because the numbers have not been over 6 in primetime when I've checked.  I guess that 5 of those 6 must have been allied though... in order to meet those 8:1 odds.

Everyone please stop exagerating to support your point(s).  Please stop insulting others to get your way.  Please stop with the "I QUIT because..." posts.  Please stop and think about ways to have fun in the CT vs only settling for one particular thing and stomping your feet when its not as easy to do.

AKDejaVu

[Arcon]

I've been having fun in the CT. Taking on one or two spits in a 109 or 190 and at least surviving, (making 'em auger, ditch or maybe even kill 'em) is a challenge.

I rarely flew the LW birds, and don't have much experience in them or in a historical matchup.  I've learned alot.

But still I seem to be limited to snapshots or deflection HO's, which seems dweeby.  I just can't stick to the spitties 6.

I've tried roping, but can't get the 109 or 190 turned around onto the spit fast enough for a good shot.  Any suggestions?

I believe the 109E would help level the playing field against the spits (I usually try the A5, though I'm gonna try the F8).  And I hear its on the way.

edit--> BTW, its nice to have a sustained, SMALL engagement where you can learn the strengths, weaknesses of aircraft and their matchups.  It's difficult for me to learn in the MA, a sustained fight usually gets me killed by Niki,La7, or some other quick swooper

-thx

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Let me make this very clear for you dmf... and for many others that are doing the same thing.

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And again you misrepresent what it is I'm trying to communicate.

This thread started out about someone complaining that he is fighting too many spitfires.  He didn't complain about skewed numbers, nor anything else.

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So?  Implicit in pimpjoe's complaint was the notion that there weren't just Spitfires, but an awful lot of Spitfires.  In any event, this wouldn't be the first topic to stray from the explicit meaning of the original post, and there's no reason that subsequent points should be any less valid.  Would you have preferred I started a new thread entirely when I responded to pimpjoe?

Alas... the springboard is set for everyone and their mother to come in and tell why they no longer fly in the CT.

DID THE PRESENCE OF THE SPITFIRE CAUSE THIS?  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD STARTED OUT AS!

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I think it's valuable to find out why people aren't flying in the CT.  Why are there only six people up in prime time now compared to 50 earlier this month?  Why do you care so much that it wasn't the original point of this thread?  It makes the point no less valid.  If it would quit your whining about things being off-topic, I can make a brand new thread all about it.  At this point, however, I feel that would be beating a dead horse.

I'm sorry that you don't like the CT enough to fly in it right now.  I have not flown in it this week because the numbers have not been over 6 in primetime when I've checked.  I guess that 5 of those 6 must have been allied though... in order to meet those 8:1 odds.

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Who's exaggerating now?  My original comment was that I faced consistent numbers ranging from five to eight in combat.  I also listed the arena numbers, which favored the Allies two, three, and sometimes four to one while I was on.  Why do you keep latching on to the largest number listed to make your point other than hyperbole?  As well, I keep stating that the CT may well be different now, so why even bring that up?

Please stop insulting others to get your way.  Please stop with the "I QUIT because..." posts.  Please stop and think about ways to have fun in the CT vs only settling for one particular thing and stomping your feet when its not as easy to do.

Please enlighten me about what way I would like to get?  I also see nothing wrong with "I quit" posts insofar as they are instructive to the CT crew for future reference, other than the notion that they belong in a separate thread.  I don't stomp my feet when something becomes boring, tiresome, or frustrating... I go where the fun is.  For better or for worse, the CT is in competition with the MA for players' time, and over the last couple of weeks it's woefully failed to stack up.  I look forward to the things hblair has in store for it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[pimpjoe]

eek...simmer down fella's. i didnt mean for this to turn into a flame fest:(

its not that i dont like fighting spits. i just dont like fighting 6 of them at 1 time. i would like to fight a p47, mossie, p38 ect. just as often as spits.

i understand the CT is about historical match ups. and that there were tons of spits agains few LW aircraft. but we have to remember that we have to keep it fun. nobody likes to be gangbanged. especially by spits. i like the CT. i dont go in there often but when i do i generally have a good time. but when it is just gangbangin spits and the occasional p47 or p38 i tend to log off. i can get gangbanged by spits in the MA.

please dont take my post the wrong way.

[Nath[BDP]]

DejaWho?, do you realize that (apparently from your own pedantic and achromatic stance in this thread) you are just as guilty as (apparently you are trying to make Leviathn look bad for changing the subject of the thread**off topic?) Leviathn for what you are trying to traduce him for by perpetuating his first post--and so on?

Play the game first, talk toejam about it second.

[AKDejaVu]

Why do you care so much that it wasn't the original point of this thread?

BECAUSE BEFORE YOU REPLIED TO ME I WAS STATING AS MUCH!

I'm replying to seeing nothing but spits as being the result of going for historical matchups and you reply with an argument about the numbers being skewed.... as does westy.

Nobody wants historical.  They quit when they see it.  The sides become skewed... and its the fault of those flying spitfires.

Yep.. that's it.

AKDejaVu

[AKDejaVu]

Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
DejaWho?, do you realize that (apparently from your own pedantic and achromatic stance in this thread) you are just as guilty as (apparently you are trying to make Leviathn look bad for changing the subject of the thread**off topic?) Leviathn for what you are trying to traduce him for by perpetuating his first post--and so on?

Play the game first, talk toejam about it second.

LOL! OK nath.  I know you posted because you care so much.  It couldn't be because of that "find yourself a girfriend and stop masturbating" comment in another thread.

AKDejaVu

[Nath[BDP]]

eh? wtf is your point exactly?
Why do you come to a gaming board and say toejam about people's lives? Are you really that desperate for material?

Oh yah, it's because typing stuff like that is purely assumptions--which can't be countered in any way shape or form; and I'm not about to post pics of my g/f so you can b33t your m33t to it. Which, I'm 100% sure, is why you keep repeating the same retort over and over.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
BECAUSE BEFORE YOU REPLIED TO ME I WAS STATING AS MUCH!

I'm replying to seeing nothing but spits as being the result of going for historical matchups and you reply with an argument about the numbers being skewed.... as does westy.

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Westy and I made statements about the numbers before you even posted to this thread.  Pimpjoe likewise just posted that the overall numbers were a concern to him in addition to how they broke down by planes.  So, as I expected, implicit in the original post is an argument about the numbers as well as an argument about the variety of plane types.  

I've also consistently stated that I have no problems with the variety of planes I saw.  I love fighting Spits, and it wouldn't have bothered me if every single plane I faced was a Spit.  

Nobody wants historical.  They quit when they see it.  The sides become skewed... and its the fault of those flying spitfires.

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I don't believe that the numbers imbalance resulted from enabling the Spit V.  It was present in the Sicily map prior to their being enabled at captured fields.  Also, the previous map enabled Spit Vs, and the sides remained fairly balanced regardless.  In fact, Spit Vs match up much better against the Japanese planeset than they do against the faster, better climbing and accelerating Luftwaffe stuff.  The numbers in the CT during the Sicily map were very skewed toward the Allies for whatever reason... probably, as hblair stated, because groups of players were practicing for the scenario.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[CRASH]

I almost never fly spits, or niks for that matter, just too damn easy to get kills with, whats the point? If I've flown either of them a total of 10 times since ah came out, that'd be alot.   But the fact is the only decent allied a/c during that setup for angles fighting (read single plane dueling, which ofcourse was highly frowned up as a means of engagement during wwii) was the p38 and that suffers badly from an ability to hold onto it's e in anything but a nose down fight leaving the planeset pretty seriously biased towards the lw if your looking for a sustained dogfight like we often look for in the ct.  If you try to angles fight a spit in your fw190 you deserve to be shot down.  Quit complaining about what the other guy's flyin' and use your airplane for what it was designed for.  When someone complains about too many spits or too many niks (assuming their modeled reasonably) all I hear is Whaaaaa......I dont know how to fly my airplane to shoot them down,....it's not fair!   The lw had a very well rounded out planeset this round, any number of a/c would have done nicely as spit killer as long as you dont get stupid with it.  Yes, spits enabled draws alot of ma riff raff into the arena to fly spits. If you want to offset the numbers advantage then hook up with other lw drivers and fly as a team thereby giving you numerical superiority in the piece of sky you choose to fly in.  If you feed yourself into a mob of spits it's your own damn fault for bein' shot down.  Quit blamin' the designers for you inability to figure out how to defeat your opponent.  Problem is you want to fly like you fly in the ma and these matchups preclude that in many instances, it's not a matter of flyin' better, it's a matter of flyin' smarter.  
Peace
Out

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