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Offline guttboy

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« on: March 11, 2002, 03:27:16 PM »
Hi Fellas,
Well it has come down to the fact my old computer's mother board has fried....sniff sniff.....

My question is what kind of computer should I get?

I was looking at the Dell 8200.

What are your thoughts on options for it?

I dont want to spend more than 1200 and wont need a monitor.

Any suggestions on configurations if I have a local shop make it?  I dont want to spend more than 1200.  I will be using this computer for Aces High...perhaps a first person shooter like half life...and surfing the net.

What OS should I get ...XP?

THanks in advance fellas....and all help is appreciated...im not that computer savvy so if you start using complex terminology please explain if you can.  I have a monitor already.

THanks

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2002, 05:02:40 PM »
Boooo hissss!!

Ok check your other thread for my thoughts.

Do not look to buy a particular computer (Dell Sony blah crap blah) +)

Visit your local stores get some price lists


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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2002, 08:09:49 PM »
No kidding.  $1200.00 buck will build a very nice system.  Heck,..$800.00 will build a really nice system, like;

1.8GHz Northwood P4
512MB DDR Ram
40GB HD
SBLive sound card
ATI Radeon 8500
52X CDROM
3/12" Floppy
10/100 Ethernet card
Keyboard
MS Intelli-Mouse

Just an example
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2002, 03:32:27 AM »
Skuzzy,
Where can I purchase that system..for example?  What is the tech support that would go along with it.  Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2002, 07:58:36 AM »
guttboy,..that system I described is my personal system.  I built it, and as far as tech support goes,...well,...needing tech support means something is broken (in my book anyways) as such, I never need support because I build systems that just work.

NOTE:  I did not put a thing in the list abou thte OS.  Add another $200 to the price for XP.  Oh, I did forget to mention the mid-tower case, 300W P4 approved power supply, and 3 case fans is included in the above list.

If you can use a screwdriver, you can build it yourself.  If you go that route, here are some tips.

1)  Do not over tighten the screws that hold the motherboard in place.  They only need to be snug.  Get all the screws started before tightening them.
2)  Get some tie wraps and anchor the power supply cables to the motherboard to the chassis.  Do not tighten this, just secure enough to keep the cables from hanging in the case.  If you are attaching the cables to a metal rail in the chassis, go to Radio Shack and get a plastic spiral wrap or insulating tube to cover the metal brace.
3)  Read the motherboard manual from front to back.  Note all jumper locations and make sure they are set correctly.
4)  When adding PCI peripherals, make sure to use slots that are not shared with other devices.  Typically, there are 3 PCI slots that do not share interrupts with anything else.  Sometimes there are only 2.
5)  Make sure you use a static strap that is grounded well when working with the various electronic components.
6)  Take your time.  Do not get in a rush.
7)  When plugging in the LED cables for the various front panel LED's, note that the black wire is ground.  Most cases use multiple colors for the positive wire, but black is always the ground wire.  You will see this marked in the motherboard manual for rach plug.
8)  When running the Ultra 100 HD cable, do not run it in parallel with the secondary cable and do not fold the cable in a manner that would crease it.
9)  Before putting the motherboard in the chassis, put the CPU in place as well as the RAM.  Use the anti-static pad that came with the motherboard to insulate the motherboard from the table you lay the motherboard on to insert the RAM and CPU.  The CPU will simply drop in place, do not push it in place.  The CPU is keyed so it will only go in one way.  The pins on the P4 478 are very easy to bend, so handle it with great care.
The RAM may need some force applied so be careful when pushing it in the sockets.  They are keyed and will only go in one way, but do require some pressure.

That pretty much hits the highlights, as far as getting the hardware goes;

1)  RAM prices are high right now (about double what they were a month ago), so you may want to wait for them to drop again.  You can get the RAM at http://www.crucial.com.  While you can find cheaper RAM, it is not advisable.  Crucial/Micron RAM is about as good as you can get and worth the investment.
2)  I would go with an Antec case and power supply.  The Antec power supply is a tank.  You can get more information about Antec at http://www.antec-inc.com.  The cases can be purchased at many online shops for better prices than Antec sells them for.
3)  Here are 2 very reputable online stores.  You can get cheaper, but for a beginner I think these 2 will suffice.  http://www.comp-u-plus.com and http://www.microx-press.com.  

Okay, if you are not up to building it.  I will do it for you.  Let me know and I will get a formal quote for you, but it really is not that hard to build your own system.
One of the major advantages of building your own system, is you can upgrade it later on (i.e. add a bigger HD, faster CPU, more RAM....).  The other advantage is, you are not stuck with some proprietary system that may not have the peripherals which work in all the various OS's available.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2002, 07:58:58 AM »
guttboy seriously man, check your local retailers, you can likely find that system or one close to it near to you.  A good relationship with a local retailer, even if you have to spend a little more, can save you grief in the long run.

Once you find a retailer and get some price lists, post them here and we will offer our opinions +)

Ask any friends with PC's how they find the local stores and if they can make any recommendations.

remember we aren't the ones spending the money man +)  

Personally i recommend against ordering from a distance, if you ever have any technical issues where a component fails, you have to send it out and be without it for a period of time.
There have also been quite a few cases where the product delivered isn't what was expected.

My thots

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2002, 08:44:45 AM »
Skurj,

In my experience unless you are going to build it yourself or at least upgrade it yourself, Dell is the best way to go IMO.  I've had lots of good experiences with friends/relatives buying Dell, and lots of horror stories dealing with local shops.  Sure, there is often a local shop that can do a great job, but honestly those shops are a small % of what's out there.  There are more bad ones than good ones.  I've found one in my area run by guys who know what they are doing that I trust to send my friends/relatives to, but if they are not going to be opening the box up themselves I just sent the to Dell... less problems.  Any time there have been an issue with a Dell, it's been fixed within 24 hours in my experience and you won't likely get that from a local shop on a regular basis.

I've been in this business for a long time on both sides of the counter, so I think I've got a pretty good experience base that I draw from for my opinion for what that's worth.

If you've got the $ and want a high end gaming system, and you live in the US, you might try somebody like AlienWare as well. :)

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2002, 09:32:54 AM »
Yeah I agree Lephturn as far as referring those less knowledgeable to a place like Dell..  

Though guttboy could take the leap now! +)

I think he would be grateful in the long run.  


The biggest hurdle to building your own system is fear.  It is MUCH simpler/safer than the majority realize (i don't mind that statistic with my chosen career field+)


From my experience its even difficult to put the things together wrong...  reverse a cable .. so what? switch it and the system will work.  

Read the instructions, pay attention to the wiring labels.


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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2002, 10:49:51 AM »
Guys :eek:

SOOO much terrific information here!!!!

Skuzzy, Skurj, and Lephturn....where do I start.  Ok talking with some of the computer geniuses in my USAF squadron here in Albuquerque they have tossed around a couple of issues.

1)  The local computer stores are good but if anything goes wrong it can take a least a week sometimes before they can get around to your system....(in my book this is bad).

2)  Right now they are offering prices that are comparable to Dell.....included in the Dell price is the 3 year warranty that i can call em up and they are here in a day.  That is a good thing.

3)  I have a DELL Inspiron 8000 that I take on the road and really like the support I have gotten....(lost disks, they replaced no ? asked).  Had trouble reformatting (talked me through on the phone). etc...so I do like DELL's support.

4)Fear is a factor...isnt there a show by that name...lol.....I would hate to spend all that dough on a board and a chip and WHAM...I bend a pin or shock it to death....lol.....

Ok so I am pretty sure that I wont go the assembly route...although with this SONY Vaio that is on the fritz I think I will take the plunge and tinker with that one!!!!!!  New motivation after your posts.

What are some of the ?'s to ask the local guys when they are building the computer?  Motherboards....guys I have no clue what is best, bad, etc......

My buddy says the pc800 RAM is the way to go right now and I dont need more than 256 for now (at least until the price drops).

Ok final ? for now....if I do go with DELL.....they are offering 2 video cards that I would be interested in; both are GEFORCE 3 cards with 64 meg RAM...One is the Ti200 and the other is the Ti500....big diff in price...why?  Why should I spend more?  Should I stick with the Ti200 and then wait for another card in the future?

I know that is long winded....thanks so much for the information guys!!!  Believe me that it is helping me out when I say that.

THanks

Mike (TG12)

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2002, 11:43:32 AM »
Helping someone spend their money is fun!:D  I moved out of albuquerque about a year ago, so I am pretty familiar with the shops there. I started building my own systems while I was there too. The problem with the shops is their prices are high and their inventory can be slim. If you are thinking of building, try to be patient, get your parts from good internet based outfits, and  relax putting it together. If you are going to rape your old system for parts you can save some bucks, but make sure those parts will work on your new system. One great benefit of building your own system is you can easily upgrade the machine whereas a store machine usually has limited upgrade potential. As far as putting the system together, the hardest part is getting the cables connected to the motherboard (oh, and not breaking your cpu if you put your own heat sink on it), but they are labeled, so it really isnt hard. Putting the ram, drives, cards, etc is really easy. You want a cpu with fast system bus speed, good vid card, and the fastest proc u can afford.

good luck!

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2002, 11:45:49 AM »
oh, forgot: here are some good links for systems, u can price them out using their shopping baskets:

http://www.tccomputers.com -- a bit on pricey side, great support
http://www.tufshop.com -- i use these guys, good prices
http://www.pricewatch.com -- use this to find lowest price, but lowest price usually carries high shipping or heavy restock fees.
http://www.compuplus.com -- another good site.

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2002, 11:54:53 AM »
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What are some of the ?'s to ask the local guys when they are building the computer?  Motherboards....guys I have no clue what is best, bad, etc......


The best thing to do if you are going to build yourself is to use us here and in the Hardware and Software forum to help you choose good parts.  Or get the shop to suggest something, then bring the parts list here and we can critique their choices... which will tell you something about how good they are.

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My buddy says the pc800 RAM is the way to go right now and I dont need more than 256 for now (at least until the price drops).


IF you go with RDRAM, then PC800 will be fine and 256 will be enough.  However, I would go with DDR SDRAM instead as it will get you 512 MB for a similar price, and be usable in other systems in the future, where RDRAM will NOT.

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Ok final ? for now....if I do go with DELL.....they are offering 2 video cards that I would be interested in; both are GEFORCE 3 cards with 64 meg RAM...One is the Ti200 and the other is the Ti500....big diff in price...why?  Why should I spend more?  Should I stick with the Ti200 and then wait for another card in the future?

I know that is long winded....thanks so much for the information guys!!!  Believe me that it is helping me out when I say that.

THanks

Mike (TG12)


Well the Ti500 is basically just a faster version.  I'd recommend the Ti200 based on value, it will play all your games just fine, and only be a bit slower than the Ti500.

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2002, 01:06:14 PM »
Ok on the DDR SDRAM.....If I get a computer with the PC800 RDRAM on it...can I switch to DDR SDRAM in the future?  Im not sure if DELL offers the DDR SDRAM.

I think I am going to rape the old system and try to make something of it in the future.

As far as the shops here in ABQ.....they are very overpriced compared to a similar system from DELL.  And I am also leary on the tech support.

SO for now I think I have dediced on the DELL 8200.....any suggestions for configurations....

THe 2.0 GHZ is actually the same price as the 1.9 GHZ when all is said and done....Now if I only understood the RAM issue....


Thanks......

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2002, 01:13:14 PM »
No RDRAM and DDR SDRAM are completely different, they use different slots and different physical types, so you can't switch between them.  RDRAM is over-priced and proprietary, while DDR SDRAM is cheap in comparison and is the industry standard.  Even Intel has dumped RDRAM for future chipsets.

Look at the same setup, but price out the 4400 series instead.  That's basically a similar machine, but with the DDR SDRAM chipset instead of the RDRAM setup.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2002, 01:32:23 PM »
Ok Guys....now its really confusing.....DELL is offering the 4400 for cheaper than the 8200....is the RAM the only difference...i.e. mother boards are the same....also should I go with the 256 on the DDR SDRAM and save the 200.00 in RAM costs ?  Can I purchase this DDR SDRAM later and at a cheaper cost?....will I notice a difference with 256 and 512 for AH?  Will I notice a difference in Framerate and Play in AH if I go with the RDRAM Same ammount?

THanks again....getting ready for the plunge today if possible...also I will be getting with you all in the future about raping my old sony vaio and rebuilding it.

THanks In advance


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