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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2002, 04:11:33 PM »
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Originally posted by mrfish


yeah no kidding. cheap way to advance your agenda. and no bigger way to show you know zero about the real effects of marijuana. i'm kinda surprised really, i saw the thread title and expected an intelligent argument.

i don't know about 'absolutely' harmless, i mean even coffee carries a health penalty, but the implication that weed caused there child to disappear is plebian at best.

i guess it'd be ok if they were drinking or reaching for a nicotine joint every 10 minutes with a shakey addicted hand.....then the issue would just be their parenting skills.

go watch 'reefer madness' for more truths about marijuana - if you buy this then it's right up your alley - also i'll send you a magic email and if you pass it along to 10 people you'll have good luck all day.


mmkay.

I haven't said anything negative about marijuana above. This thread was started to try and get some good debate going about the pros and cons of smoking marijuana (and/or alcohol) while looking after children. All I've gotten so far is a couple of jokes, some paranoid suggestions, endorsement from someone who is close friends to a top exec, lawyers, dentists, doctors, IT people, writers, etc. who all smoke pot, as well as claims that smoking marijuana increases work productivity. ;)

I am not condemning the parents of the girl. I can't imagine what they're going through right now. I've done much worse than what they did that night. What I am saying is that I don't think it's a good idea to smoke marijuana and/or drink while looking after young children.

Why not?

Well, Why?

Why can't you wait? Ask yourself why you feel you need to light up a joint? Why do you want to be buzzed when watching your kids?
I smoked pot for over 10 years guys, I know what it's like to stoned or to be slightly buzzed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "slightly buzzed" is not the same as being straight? If one of you is going to tell me that being slightly buzzed makes you sharper you need to get a new supplier because your getting ripped. I smoked my last joint 5-6 years ago. Was off with an old high school buddy, he had some weed, we lit up and rode motorcycles. I went home later stilll buzzed. My son (about 3yrs old at the time) met me at the door and he could tell something wasn't right. It then hit me that looking at my kids thru glazed eyes and a buzzed brain is just plain irresponsible.
I'm sure I'm going to hear some good stories about how MJ is no big deal, ya just gotta be responsible. But then if you were responsible, you wouldn't be lighting up around your kids, would ya ?
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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2002, 04:12:21 PM »
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we were talking about you makin' a run for munchies...


Funions maaan alright! :D


mmmmm and butterfingers and cheese puffs and m&m's and nachos and some of those little cream filled yellow bread thingies maaan yeah!

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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2002, 04:16:33 PM »
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mmkay.

I haven't said anything negative about marijuana above. This thread was started to try and get some good debate going about the pros and cons of smoking marijuana (and/or alcohol) while looking after children. All I've gotten so far is a couple of jokes, some paranoid suggestions, endorsement from someone who is close friends to a top exec, lawyers, dentists, doctors, IT people, writers, etc. who all smoke pot, as well as claims that smoking marijuana increases work productivity. ;)

I am not condemning the parents of the girl. I can't imagine what they're going through right now. I've done much worse than what they did that night. What I am saying is that I don't think it's a good idea to smoke marijuana and/or drink while looking after young children. Why not? Well, Why? Why can't you wait? Ask yourself why you feel you need to light up a joint? Why do you want to be buzzed when watching your kids?
I smoked pot for over 10 years guys, I know what it's like to stoned or to be slightly buzzed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "slightly buzzed" is not the same as being straight? If one of you is going to tell me that being slightly buzzed makes you sharper you need to get a new supplier because your getting ripped. I smoked my last joint 5-6 years ago. Was off with an old high school buddy, he had some weed, we lit up and rode motorcycles. I went home later stilll buzzed. My son (about 3yrs old at the time) met me at the door and he could tell something wasn't right. It then hit me that looking at my kids thru glazed eyes and a buzzed brain is just plain irresponsible.
I'm sure I'm going to hear some good stories about how MJ is no big deal, ya just gotta be responsible. But then if you were responsible, you wouldn't be lighting up around your kids, would ya ?




 Ok back to topic :)  No I don't think it's a good idea.  I imagine I'll quit when I have a family.  I just won't have time to spend on it at that point.   If I have a family and still smoke pot,  it will be because my wife does too and it will only be after the kids are in bed.  Poor kids will get used to that 4:30 pm bed time after a few years :rolleyes:

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« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2002, 04:17:18 PM »
fried stuff and cheese!  hehe


HB, actually I did answer you above.
I think it was not the reason for the abduction...
it is not responsible to be smoking/drinking around kids...

and.. it's all a matter of degree.

One can have a drink and call it social drinking...
many and you're a drunk.
same reasoning for dope..

and yeah.. why do you think they call it dope :)

but pot is not dangerous IMO.
just leads to the munchies... and sleep..


where are those funions??

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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2002, 05:23:31 PM »
Hb, I answered your question in a much earlier post....

"Depends Hb. I already stated that it all depends on your priorities. And obviously their child was not among their priorities.

Maybe the munchies got a hold of their better judgement.......


Prolly not though..

But, would marijuana cause them to not hear noises? Absolutely not, while marijuana dumbs down your reaction time, like alchohol, your auditory awareness is at very high levels.

The question shouldn't be would being under the influence of pot/booze cause you to not be a good parent... the question should be was pot/booze for these people a good idea?

Obviously, if you have a young child that needs to be watched over then both parents should definitely not be under the influence of anything.

Was them being under the influence the cause for their daughter to wander off? Or was it their lack of responsibility or priorities while under the influence that caused this?"

If you want a better answer, I will oblige you. Just reply and I'll get a reply to you in a few hours after class.
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« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2002, 06:52:53 PM »
Well, the productivity issue is not really as odd as it seems Hblair. Obviously, doing drugs on the job can have a negative impact, but casual use off the job doesn’t seem to have much of an impact at all.
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To get back on topic (though I don’t think I was that far off topic given the somewhat moralistic implication behind the initial post), as far as using any substance (alcohol, MJ etc.) around a child, although It's something I have yet to face I would hope that there is some leeway for letting one’s hair down hours after a 7 year old child has been put to bed.

Her husband stayed home to watch the kids, they were fed and put to bed, and she went out partying for the night. Sounds like a familiar scenario for my friends who have children. Nor can I find any indication that their impairment (including alcohol) contributed in any substantial way to the kidnapping. Perhaps leaving the alarm inactivated with the garage door open, but then how many times does stuff like that happen by accident anyway. There have been plenty of similar kidnappings in the past without any impairment involved at all. It's not like she took the girl to a park, got high, and then drove off forgetting her.

Personally, I have never been so impaired on MJ that I couldn’t react reasonably to something like a fire or trauma, except in those initial experiences when you can’t really feel the top of your head for quite some time. In fact, this was proven very recently when a drunk, who was “dancing” around a bonfire made out of shipping pallets rolled into the fire. I crossed 20 yards before anyone else moved (30 or 40 standing around much closer than I with their mouths' open) and was there in time to help pull him from the fire (he was already rolling out, using his hands to push off the wood), pour some valuable Guiness on his smoking hand to cool the embedded embers, organize the trip to the hospital, and convince the drunk that he actually needed to go “…dude, you have third degree burns, you ARE going to the hospital.” And it wasn't even my party! Good old Army training stays with you for life I guess : )  Incidentally, he was back a couple of hours later drinking a beer with his bandaged hands and goofing off again. I bet the joke was on him in the morning though, when the booze wore off, since he was too drunk to be given a prescription for pain killers at the time :) Anyway, it’s hard to see the MJ as being a significant factor in that poor girl’s death, though I don’t doubt some (not referring to you Hblair) will play that angle to suit their own purposes.

Charon
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« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2002, 08:57:46 PM »
Well, I was gonna add somein... but Charon basically said what I was going to and he was much more to the point.
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« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2002, 09:45:55 PM »
However, aggressive tendencies are not associated with MJ, and the burnouts that I have come across struck me as being on the slow track regardless of their drug of choice.  

i've been trying to find a way to say that concisely for ages - good job ;) nice posts.

and.....

"I smoked it for at least 15 years and probably never missed a day. I can honestly say I lived a fairly normal life for those 15 years, but it was also far from optimal. I was definitely not at my best, and the MJ was the reason. Anyone who says differently is deluding themselves."

hey whaddya know- a realistic take on MJ for a change. somewhere between the 'it ruins your life and makes you go to hell and i wish god would kill those naughty sinners' crowd and the 'it took 10lbs off my waist, cleaned my gutters,  and added years to my life!' crowd lies the truth.

you're definitley not sharp when it's effects are present but if you temper your usage you'll do fine.

being "optimal" requires not just abstinance from MJ but a lot of other things as well. how many of us are optimal....any olympic skaters in the crowd?

i'm just tired of hearing idiotic charges that MJ sent someone's life spiraling out of control. blame a weak mind not the drug.

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« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2002, 10:00:18 PM »
I will be honest, all this talk of weed has me wanting to roll up a hog's leg and watch some seinfeld.

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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2002, 01:30:26 AM »
I am a member or the australian branch of NORML,smoke most days and you know,
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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2002, 05:27:34 AM »
Had a friend end up in Prince of Wales Hospital psychiatric ward with Drug induced psychosis and she only did Marijuana.
My best man does alot of marijuana with no ill effects. He gave up alcohol because he was an agressive drunk and always ended up in a fight. When he smokes, he fine (which is good, cause he is a massive bloody samoan!).

 imho smoking pot is no more harmful than drinking, like already posted moderation is the key.

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« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2002, 05:34:11 AM »
Pot smoking is bad for you, look what it did to this guy

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« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2002, 09:44:48 AM »
Make alcohol illegal?  The US has been there and done that.  Amendment 18 to the US Constitution.   12 years later, Amendment 21 repealed the 18th Amendment.

In light of this, why we continue this "war on drugs" in its current form is a little beyond me.  We haven't learned from history that is less than 100 years old?
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