Dont forget about the F4U-1D

[Yeager]

Took this bird up for the first time since its release tour (beta tour 2?).

Wow.....a five kill sortie as smooth as glass.

Point is: Dont neglect this saphire blue gem.

Yeager

[juzz]

Point is: How many kills would you have gotten in the same sortie flying the F4U-1C?  

[Skorpyon]

Yeag..
unfortunately most who fly it couldnt care less about its "gem" qualities, and therein lies the reason the D is so ignored.  I flew a D the other day just for kicks, and enjoyed it even though I don't fly hawgs well.  Then I flew a c and almost felt like I had a "two free kills" ticket in my hand, as even the luckiest and briefest of shot opportunities means doom for my target, despite the fact that I don't fly that particular plane well.  I have been flyin mainly the 190 lately, but today I even went up in a 'stang.. the first time in a long time, and it was truly sweet.. knocked out 3 pretty easily before someone perforated the paper wings for me.  The D will be ignored by the masses as long as the masses want the "big blue plane with the BFG mounted on it."  Sad as it is, it is all too true.  Guess we just have to see what else comes along in the future.  

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I/JG2 ~Richthofen~
"Feel the Sting......"

[Duckwing6]

ahhhhh good to hear from sbdy driving a D too

The D-Hog has it's own die-hard fan section (we even have our secret hand shake .. the blue bent wing waggle)

it ain't not as easy to get a kill in it but if you blast a hard manouvering target outta the sky with a hail of cal.050's at convergence that's just a good feeling  

Cyas UP there
DW6

[funked]

Last time I flew it, an Me 109 dove from 10k above me and HOed me LOL!!!

[-lazs-]

I don't see the point.... The 1D turns even worse for some odd reason than the bizzare turn of the 1C....   Sheesh, even the P51 and (LOL)190A8 outturns the poor AH Corsair so why bother?  Just take the P51 if you want a U.S. plane with 6 50's.   If you are a huge fan of the 1D like I am then IMO, the P51 is the plane to take anyway since the AH Corsair is modeled so poorly in the turn that it is blasphemy to fly it.   I have seen Army and Navy comparitive tests on the -1 against the P51B the F6F and FM2, the FW 190A 5 and the Zero 52.  These are all side by side comparisons with multiple pilots  and they all say pretty much the same thing.... The -1 should outturn the 51... Be fairly even with the Hellcat, lose 1 turn in 3 to the zeke and gain one turn in three on the 190 A5.  The poor 190A8 would be even worse.

I don't get it... If they fixed the 1D turn rate it would just make it slightly more popular and a little more competitive in the AH planeset.   Perhaps they feel that a 1C that turned realisticaly would be unbalancing?   I thought the 1D came out long before the C in AH anyway tho?
lazs

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:
Sheesh, even the P51 and (LOL)190A8 outturns the poor AH Corsair so why bother?  

Now you prove my point that you NEVER flew Fw190A8 in Aces High. You dont know Fw190A8 modelling, nor the F4U one

only for your information LAZS...I once managed to outturn and kill a Spitfire in a close fun fight (Minotaur can confirm you that, he was the spit) and I was  flying Cannonhawg. I remember that Mino was very surprised.
BTW it was when I had NO rudder pedals. With them F4U turns better,as can compensate torque effects.

You dont know a toejam about Aces High and you prove it time after time. Please say something constructive or SHUDDUP! again.


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 05-27-2000).]

[funked]

Gotta agree with RAM.  My arena experience with both planes is that the F4U turns better.

Look at Wells' numbers again - the speed for that 190 turn rate is much higher than the F4U speed.  When you get low and slow, the F4U makes easy work of the 190.

[CavemanJ]

SALUTE! Yeager
Just say NO to cannon dweebery  
I took a -1D up a couple of days ago and ran into Chappy (also in a -1D, though I dinnae know that til after the fight).  It was one helluva a fight.  We started roughly coalt-coE around 23k and ended up around 7k.  We picked at each other the whole way, with several near collisions.  It ended when I pulled the nose around a little faster than he did and got a solid burst on him  
SALUTE! Chappy
Then I went on to pick up another kill, finishing off a bandit a couple of countrymen had been chasing, deadstick and ditched it.

The -1D and -1C seem pretty similary, but neither turns like they should I think.  But a -1D CAN out turn a pony.  So can the -1C for that matter.  Turning with ponies a hawg driver has to remember the pony holds E better than the hawg.  But if both are low and slow, the hawg can outscissors the pony.  I've done it before  

Never been in a knife fight with an A8 while flying a hawg, but I've never had a problem with one either, unless he had a large alt/E advantage on me at the start.

[Wardog]

Yeager, ata boy  

Been flying the f4u 1d & puttin time in on the Typhoon.

And juzz, dont kid yourself. Flow well the D can equal the C in kills per sortie. The C has a better chance a the long range shot but the D is deadly under 700yrds. Anyone who flys the p51 on a regular basis stand a damn good chance in the D.

As for flying the Tiffy, well this plane is probably the only one we have now that is going to have the same (or close) Flight Modeling of the p47   Im just getting ready for the future  

[Duckwing6]

yea lasz .. The HOG has ne of the best INSTANTANEOUS turn rates in the game (that what you think as bizzare turns ?)

Also it will out turn a Poyn and FW any time give useage of flaps .. the only problem with thet is that the FW and Pony still out-accelerate the hog and therfore can get away or at least prevent a convvergence shot when diving just above the deck ..

[Toad]

Sorry for this loooong post.

Dinger's leathatlity tests against a hangar show that the FW and the F4U-1C are essentially equal against that type of target. That may hold true against aircraft; if we can figure out a way to test it, I suspect it will.

Therefore, if there is a major difference in the F4U-1C guns and the FW guns it is most likely in trajectory. The two most important components here are muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient. The HS has a higher MV which would give it some advantage. I have no data on BC for either round, but I know Pyro is looking into this stuff. I'll wager he has more data than any of us.

It may turn out that HS trajectory is too good; if so I'm SURE it would be adjusted. Maybe the FW trajectory is not quite as good as it should be; I'm SURE it would be adjusted.

How about we just temporarily suspend all the gun complaints until Pyro finishes his review? These guys do a lot of work for a small shop. There's that old saying "Every day we do more and more with less and less and soon we'll do everything with nothing!" Let's give them just a bit of time, OK? The guns review is work in progress; be a little patient.

As far as the Hog flight model, some
interesting data has been posted concerning an "official" comparison with the FW that was flown in WW2. From that data, it would seem the Hog FM may a bit undermodeled.

Funny we don't hear a major outcry from all hands asking that this situation be investigated, isn't it?

After all, ALL of us want accurate flight models for ALL planes, right? Looks like we have some hard data showing the Hog is a bit anemic.

So let's all bombard Pyro with requests to review the Hog FM! Make his day! Bury him with more complaints! Threaten to leave!

At least it would be a NEW topic!  

There will always be aircraft that are better than others. This can be because the aircraft is better than the other in THAT situation (like B&Z) or because it was just a generally superior aircraft (Spit XIV springs to mind) or because there are problems in the way it is modeled in the game (hey, it happens and who amongst us is REALLY qualified in any of these aircraft?)

Why not have fun, play the game and learn to use the airplane you like to fly?

There are NO planes in this game that are "Totally Uber" in every situation. So, avoid them until you have the advantage! All part of SA, I think!

Have a really nice day!

   

[Minotaur]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
 
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only for your information LAZS...I once managed to outturn and kill a Spitfire in a close fun fight (Minotaur can confirm you that, he was the spit) and I was  flying Cannonhawg. I remember that Mino was very surprised.

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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 05-27-2000).]

LOL  

I don't remember that at all Ram, must have been another Mino!  

I remember the last time I was in a Spit.  It was a Spit V and that was some time ago.  I was slow, on the deck, trying to cover my squadmate and in SA overload.  I believe it was Hangtime in his P-51 that so amazed me.

I don't remember the last time I flew a Spit before that.

At any rate "Good Kill"...  

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The Wrecking Crew

[Rocket]

I love to fly the 1D.  I die alot but it makes it worthwhile to get the kill knowing that it has the 2nd worst climb rate and its accel rate isn't exactly greased lightning.  As long as I stay fast and shoot at convergence I get my kills.  Poor SA causes me alot of deaths along with trying to push a bad situation.
Keep the trim adjusted and she will retain enough E to surprise more than a few.

I want the challenge of flying a plane that doesn't have the deck stacked for it.

 

I don't see the point....

Grab the most beautiful plane in the arena.  Take time to get some alt and a head of steam.  Fly in trim and fast.  Fire at convergence.  NEVER turn more than 90 degrees.  Pick your fights and enjoy.  The satisfaction of seeing "You have killed Hangtime" is awesome   (He is one up on me but it stills feels great to see the kill once in a while   )


If you fly for the quick kills grab a spitfire but if you want the challenge of the most beautiful plane in the AH skies and more satisfaction grab a 1D.  

S!
Rocket


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[Udie]

 Alas the 1d was my mount in WB for the last 2.5 yrs I was there.  T2 turned me on to it and started my love affair with big blue.  I still fly her ever now and again.  And I suspect you see me in her ALOT the first weeks after 1.03 is released   I hope the zeke becomes popular  

Udie