Most survivable buff killer in AH?

[SKurj]

Mebbe so Illo but you have to get much closer to the buff to hit it... with the jug you can open up at d800 having more time to get them shots where you want them, improving your chances


SKurj

[Staga]

It's actually good thing Bf-110 is slow; that way faster fighters can catch bomber and suck all ammo from it. When 110 catches the buff it's already out of ammo

[Tac]

For below 20k: The Mossie (just cant beat the accel and 4 hizookas). The 262 is better than the mossie of course, but a perk ride sometimes is just not good to have around when there's escorts (Ho HO HO heheh).

Above 20k: The B26 (or now, the Ki67). Its another buff, just as fast (if not faster) with the same "armament".

New runner up buff interceptor: The Arado with tail guns! Fly under the buff (ligned up) pull upin front of buff's nose and fire tail guns. ze buff will run into the 20mm stream

[MOTJD]

Your all missing the best buff killer there is under 20k.. Typhoon rocks. lil burst and pilots jump out.

[Bluedog]

Like Tac says...under 20k, the Mossie is buff hunter extraordinaire, 2 Merlins and 4 Hispanos is one hell of a combo, throw in a quartet of .303 to give your tracer stream a more 'solid' look, and yer cookin with gas.
At altitude, nothing makes me more nervous when Im buff driving than a P47 in the area, 8 .50's make short work of pretty much anything they hit, and the higher you take a Jug, the better it likes it it seems.
Of course, the 262 in the right hands is untouchable, and 4 30s turn buffs into hamburger quicker than you can say ' toejame he's closin fast...cant track him!', but personally I wouldnt risk that many perks on a buff kill.

Blue

Oh yeah...the 109G6 with gondolas works great on buffs too, and is survivable in that it is quite capable of mixing it up with the escorts aswell as hunting the buffs.
Havent tried the 110G much at all yet, but I dare say it would have to rank way up there with the best of the buffbusters too.

BTW, it takes a fraction of the ammo required to destroy a bomber's fuselage to rip off one of it's wingtips, and the chances of bringing home a buff without a wingtip are marginal to say the least, most often they spiral in there and then...the hard part is resisting the urge to shoot at the centre of the target aircraft.

[ZeroPing]

I took out 2 lancs with in 2k of each other (in a line of corse) with a 152.... Was pretty cool... dive in spining hold trigger for 6 sec shooting every part of the plane only to watch them explode with out knowing what hit them )

[qts]

BTW, it takes a fraction of the ammo required to destroy a bomber's fuselage to rip off one of it's wingtips, and the chances of bringing home a buff without a wingtip are marginal to say the least, most often they spiral in there and then

I did it once - it was fun. And very difficult

[mora]

B17 is ditchable but not home bringable without wingtip.

[Samm]

flakyak of course, what other plane can kill a b17 from beyond 50cal range, b26 is good too .

[Hajo]

FW190A8 patroling at 23K best Buff killer imho.  It's a tank...takes damage well and 2X30mm plus 2X20mm with 13mm machine guns a lethal combo.

[Rude]

Has nothing to do with the plane...sure, cannons are more effective than .50's as to the damage done within the time guns are on the target, but rather technique defines your success when attacking a buff.

The 51 I drive will rip a buff to pieces in one pass....can accomplish the same with any other fighter.

It's all in the technique:)

[akak]

Originally posted by fdiron
Ok Fariz and akak, I agree partially that the pilot makes a big difference in killing bombers.  But if you take a good pilot and put him in a C202, and take an average/below average pilot and put him in a F4U-1c, I think the F4U-1c has a better chance of downing a bomber than the 202.

I read an article on the internet that said the USAF admitted that the F4U was able to withstand more combat damage than the P47, can anyone verify this?

I'd be willing to bet that the experienced pilot in the 202 will come out with the kill unscathed while the inexperienced pilot in the F4U-1C either gets shot down or his plane seriously damaged.  The experienced pilot is going to make his attacks at the vulnerable areas of the buff, while the inexperienced pilot is most likely going to saddle up on the buffs six and expose himself to the tail guns or come in at a low six angle and again expose himself to the tail and belly guns.



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[illo]

Originally posted by SKurj
Mebbe so Illo but you have to get much closer to the buff to hit it... with the jug you can open up at d800 having more time to get them shots where you want them, improving your chances


SKurj

And what would .50cals do against buff...especiially at that range anyways.

Well..maybe in AH. I wonder why LW wanted to go for bigger and bigger guns against buffs.

[illo]

Originally posted by Rude
Has nothing to do with the plane...sure, cannons are more effective than .50's as to the damage done within the time guns are on the target, but rather technique defines your success when attacking a buff.

The 51 I drive will rip a buff to pieces in one pass....can accomplish the same with any other fighter.

It's all in the technique:)

Or it's all in AH DM.

Can't see how .50cals would rip buff to pieces in one pass RL?

What fatal damage you would do while shooting with .50cals to heavy bombers fuselage?

Even with single 20mm LW fighters had to go for buff engines since it was needed at least 30mm or 4x20mm to be effective in causing structural damage to fuselage. Also finnish planes with .50cals had to shoot soviet bombers engines to get them down.

Ofcourse US .50cals are different?

Realistically I don't think you can do much any structural damage with .50cals...only puncture lots of holes.

Against engines and cockpit you could do much. But, who needs to do that in AH anyway?

Revision in DM would be ok IMHO.
AH is otherwise such a good sim.

[MANDOBLE]

Most survivable buff killer in AH?

Anything able to engange the buff at 800 yards or more, that is, any hispano/50" armed plane.

IMO, actually, the best and more survivable buff killers (non perkerd) are the Typh, Mossie and P38.