Spit XIV and perks

[Wmaker]

For Broes...



P.S. Great to have you back Hristo!!

[akak]

Originally posted by thrila
Jab, the relationship of the 190d, la7, p51 and the tiffie is their ability to dominate a fight.  They all have the speed to engage and disengage cons at will, they control the fight.

Add the Niki and you've just came up with a list of some of the easiest planes to shoot down in AH.  Dominate the fight my ass, only the pilot can do that, not the plane.



Ack-Ack

[thrila]

Easiest planes to shootdown?  Last time you got shotdown you must have hit your head pretty hard.

[Kieran]

I like it when people applaud as ubiased an opion that happens to aggree with thier opinion...any other opinion is biased. what a crock...lol

Pongo, no need to be a jerk. I was in fact applauding the very fact Hristo is generally considered to be LW-biased, yet he called for an unperked adversary. You know, as in "I appreciate how he can view things from the other side?"

As for me, I don't know how I would feel about an unperked Spit XIV. Truth is, until I see how it is modeled here, I will not know. Does that suit your sensibilities? Criminy, I don't even fly Spits to any extent and you have me solidly in the camp...

[Gwjr2]

everyone who whines for perking planes, have thousands of perks so dodent matter, they can fly whatever.  What about the new peeps that paid to fly em too?....so first thing should be all perks get reset then who would want to perk what?

GW:p

[eddiek]

In other threads I've said the same thing:  Spitfire XIV unperked, at least til it shows to be dominating the arena.

I don't fly Spits much at all, as a matter of fact I stay out of them unless I just have to get in one.

But to perk it, or insist it be perked before it is even introduced, seems more than a little hypocritical IMO.  Too many planes have remarkably similiar performance yet remain unperked.  If you're a 109 or 190 fan, and your main ride is the 109G10 or the Dora, don't you want to know that your Spit adversary is in an equal ride, and not one 40-50 mph slower?  
Give it a chance folks.   Let HTC introduce it, let's see what effect it has on arena play, then let HTC decide whether or not it needs to be perked.
It's high time for this plane, it was second in the poll Pyro put out over a year ago, yet it was left out for the TA152, 190F8, F4U4, etc.....all of which finished quite a ways back in the voting.
Don't ruin it before it gets here.

[Lazerus]

I usually don't get involved in these threads, but I have to say that Joe's idea doesn't sound like a bad one. The planes that are perked now are not unkillable, just slightly better than others in the arena at doing certain things. I've shot down F4U4's, Temp's, 234's, CHOG's, and 152's in a 205. Even got a 262 in a Dora yesterday. This just goes to show that SA is as big a factor as anything else. This being said, I believe there are a number of planes that should have perk values added to them, and the value should be lowered for the ones we have. Having a small cost for planes that have an enemy value of less than 20 would help even out the arena. Maybe 3-10 points. Say 3 for 20 points, 10 for 10 points, and increase the number as the enemy value goes down, perhaps exponentially. And no, I didn't do any mathematical function to come to these numbers, just a feel after spending many hours in the MA. As for the SpitXIV, perk it if the enemy value is lower than 20 when (if) it comes out, and adjust accordingly after several weeks of play. If the enemy value needs to be raised above 20, unperk it, if it needs to be lowererd below 20, perk it, below 10, perk it more. And btw, I'm just  droolin' waitin for the thing:D

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Gwjr2
everyone who whines for perking planes, have thousands of perks so dodent matter, they can fly whatever.  What about the new peeps that paid to fly em too?....so first thing should be all perks get reset then who would want to perk what?

GW:p  

Lost all my fighter perks being disco'd and augering in that damned 262:p

[Naudet]

If you're a 109 or 190 fan, and your main ride is the 109G10 or the Dora, don't you want to know that your Spit adversary is in an equal ride, and not one 40-50 mph slower?

From my D9 jockey viewpoint, no i dont want an unperked spit XIV.
Why, its simple, there are already masses of spit IXs, and those spits are already such a tough opponent, that you often don't get the chance to set up a good fight.
And as it is in the MA now, a Spit XIV would nowhere being the equal of a D9 or G10, it would just be the most or 2d most used plane, and one you can only attack with good E advantage. Co-E and one reversal will give the XIV all advantages.
And with the incredible elevator authority AH spit show at the moment, even high speed fights and dive are no way for a D9 jockey.
In another thread it was shown that the D9 compresses to early and that it extremly losses elevator authority. As long as those things are not fixed, the XIV will dominated.
As a free ride, the XIV will dominated everything, with the exception of a low alt fight against an LA7.

And planes like D9, G10, 205 are used in so small numbers, why ruin the day of those few folks by giving the Spit hordes a free XIV.

And i can tell you, most of the NIKI pilots will change to the 14 too, why? Simple, now Spit IX and NIKI are very close in performance, but the XIV will have a huge edge over the NIKI, and when the NIKI pilots (not the dedicaded) will realize that there is that performance edge, they will use it.

As i see it, if the XIV will be unperked, this game dies for the dedicaded D9/G10 jockeys. Even now SA and patience have to be very high if you want to be successful, but when the XIV is introduced the average LW pilot will be so often on the wrong end of a hispano that he either switches to allied steel or will quit through frustration.

Edit: Btw i am just flying the D9 cause i am really addicted to that plane, especially how it looks. If i would just look at AH planes from the performance standpoint, i would fly LA7, P51D or Spit IX, but never really never a D9. My style of flying gives me exellent scores with my D9, but with this style of flying, i would get the same or even better scores with other planes. But as only D9 matters for me to change my ride is no choice. If we get a free Spit XIV i will have to run so often in the MA, that i can hardly be called fun and it will in short order lead to the canceling of my sub.

[Wilbus]

Spit 14? Is it in already or what? Will it be soon? Who has said it will be? is it? *scratches head* haven't flown in MA for some time.

View would be as in other spits I guess, which it SUPERB! Acceleration, considering Spit 9 outaccelerates almost anything I doubt spit 14 will be worse, won't bleed E worse then 9 either I guess so will be able to keep up with anything. Climbs like a G10, cannons like all other Hispano planes.

It will be nice to see it but it WILL unbalance the arena if it is not perked.

Also, we all know that "on par with" in Historical terms doesn't matter at all, in any kind of way when it comes to AH.

Will be nice to see it though, perked.

[Karnak]

This is a repost of what I said in the Aircraft & Vehicles forum:

I think its clear, based on Spitfire Mk IX numbers, that an unperked Spitfire Mk XIV would quickly imbalance the MA. Because I feel that is clear, I think that it must be perked, even though it is my favorite aircraft.

The question that I have is, how much does it need to be perked at?

At 60-70 points I will only fly it very, very rarely as it won't be terribly fun and I simply don't have enough points to bankroll many of them. I believe that I am not nearly alone in this.

At 20-30 points it wouldn't hurt so badly to lose that I couldn't have fun with it. Once again, I feel that I am not alone in this position.

I personally think that all perk planes are too expensive, save the F4U-1C (which is also blessed with a non-perk icon and thus doesn't summon an instant gangbang to itself). The Me262 can kind of make do with its 200 point price simply because its performance is so far beyond anything elses, but even the Me262 costs too much in my opinion.

The Tempest and F4U-4 are particularly overpriced for their performance. The Ta152H-1 is too costly, but I do question how many would be flown even if the price were lowered to F4U-1C levels. There just doesn't seem to be much interest in that aircraft.

How often do you see P-51Ds, La-7s, Bf109G-10s, Fw190D-9s and Typhoons? How often do you see F4U-4s, Tempests and Ta152H-1s? In my case the answers would be: "Everytime I log on" and "Never".

Do these aircraft actually perform that much better that they should be so rare and be gangbanged whenever one does make an appearance?

I don't think so.

Do they need to be controled and limited in any way whatsoever?

I think they do, I just think that they are too controled right now

[thrila]

Joecrip, i must be one of those 10 people that fly the mossie- 99 kills so far this tour:D   I've also got 32 kills in thr hurri1 and 19 in the spit 1:p

Am i the only one who actually likes to fly the mossie?  I've not actually seen another mossie while flying mine:(  and would really like to have a fight with one, one of these days.


Oh and errr.....go spitXIV....w00t!

[fd ski]

Mommy !!! Mommy !!! People aren't flying the planes i want them to fly !!! Mommy !!!

[Staga]

I like to hunt buffs and so far G-10 and Dora have been my favorites 'cause of speed and climb rate.
If HTC doesn't perk XIV my guess is I found a new tool for hunting buffs @ 32k and everything else too.
XIV will propably like a G-10 but which can turn too and have those nasty Hispano cannons. Buff pilots gonna find themselves in deep manure if XIV will be free

[Staga]

Originally posted by fd ski
Mommy !!! Mommy !!! People aren't flying the planes i want them to fly !!! Mommy !!!

Don't worry kid; You'll grow up in 10-15 years.