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Offline Pepe

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« on: September 16, 2001, 05:02:00 PM »
Again, same reason.

After chasing a 30K B-17 perfectly able to pinpoint any target in a G-10, not only the crew does not freeze, but the pilot is effectively able to dogfite with me. And perfectly able to manouver too. Just sick.

This Buff thing HAS TO change. It's unrealistic, It's gamey, It's got no place in anything near a sim.

I am talking only about myself, but 30k buffs are seriously taking my fun out of AH. Dunno the rest of you.

Cheers,

Pepe

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2001, 05:35:00 PM »
Pepe,

This might not help, but look at it this way.

If the guy in the B-17 at 30k were to fly P-38s or P-47s he could deliver 3-4 times as much ordinance.  By spending all that time to climb up to 30k he is effectively taking himself out of the game.

I ignore bombers up that high.
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Offline Swager

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2001, 05:38:00 PM »
I hear ya Pepe!!!

Had a G10 and went after a B17!  At 30K feet!  With the lazer 50 cal on the B-17 it is very difficult to engage.  Well U can engage but at a extreme disadvantage if ya want to 'Float" behind them.  The fighter has a hard time getting a " prop bite" at 30K.

I dont think you'll see anything change.  If someone takes the time to get a B17 to 30K feet, they deserve alittle break!   :)
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Offline bowser

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2001, 05:49:00 PM »
Do what most people do...ignore bombers.

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Offline Wotan

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2001, 06:18:00 PM »
Buffs suk

please remove them

except ju-88 looks to good to be removed......

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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2001, 06:35:00 PM »
you guys are on crack.

all buffs are meat on the table if you dont drive up their 6 and sit their like a handsomehunk.

as for buffs not being able to maneuver?

there is a particlar B-24J that had to dogfight a fw190a after the 190 disabled the tail turret.

the b24 won

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2001, 07:26:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Fester':
there is a particlar B-24J that had to dogfight a fw190a after the 190 disabled the tail turret.

the b24 won


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Offline bowser

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2001, 08:51:00 PM »
"...as for buffs not being able to maneuver?
there is a particlar B-24J that had to dogfight a fw190a after the 190 disabled the tail turret. the b24 won...".

<sarcasm on>
Well if you say it happened at least once in RL, that's good enough for me.  Bomber should win one on one with a figher.
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Can somebody explain again why bombers even need escort fighters?   :)

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2001, 09:10:00 PM »
If I'm in a b-17 and you fly staight up my 6, you deserve to die... use some tactics, your not dealing with a fighter.  I'm at serious disadvantage if you fly across several gun positions.  Any other bomber, come up from below.

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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2001, 09:23:00 PM »
buffs are easy kills no doudt they just suk....

the biggest dweeb draw in ah is buffs ......

they have too great an impact on gameplay.....

and again they suk

please get rid of umm

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2001, 10:04:00 PM »
With teamwork, tactics and patience buffs are easy kills.  I think the buff guns are too strong but if you can learn to not give them a shot at you they are meat on the table.

Drive right up behind them and you deserve to get shot down.  Quit whining about them and learn how to avoid their strengths and you will kill them a lot easier.

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2001, 10:48:00 PM »
Let me get this straight, a Buff dweeb manages to shoot you down because he

A) Was lucky  
B) Was or good shot  
C) You used poor tactics
D) All of the Above.

Since we don't have the buffs side of the story, we have to assume your huffy little post is how it happened, which rubs me as "I'm so good, if anything shoots me down, it should be removed from this game, or else I'll pout, whine and post more whiney posts"

Granted the B17 has some real issues, I will give you that.  It can currently shot thru its own super structure and one position fires EVERY position by default.  I've seen it from both as the pilot of a B17 as well as being in a P38 trying to engage one.  I'm in awe how from a 90 degree deflection and 1.8k away, I can hit an aircraft once and send it spiraling down.  In the P38, Im in awe an out of range shot can down 2 engines.  But the P-38, and many other aircraft have issues in here (but gee, thank god the policy is to add more planes at the cost of fixing older ones)

But you lash out against the buffs with a broad brush.  To that, I say, grow up.

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2001, 11:32:00 PM »
Buffs are fine, if that player climbed to 30k, he took 35 mins or more to do so.  While he did that 45 rooks/bish/knits flew 150 sorties against your base with perhaps 10 of them combined carrying 10 times the ord than the lone buff.  

Lone strato buffs using laser sights with laser 50's are as realistic as your hopping in a fighter and CLIMBING UP TO ITS LO 6 ALONE

If that lone buff is attacking your HQ, well y bother? your dar will be down a little bit, and back up before he is half way home.  As far as i am concerned the lone buff at 30 k deep in your territory is just a waste of time.  If he wants to spend all that time attacking, make him spend all that time returning home.  Ya shoot him down and he returns that much sooner!! +)

This is a game, most players feel the buff balance is good.  Everytime I land on Park Place the bastids screw me bigtime!! I think the cost of landing on that square when a hotel is on it should be much less because it ruins the game!!!

If you don't like certain things about the game... you have 2 choices:  1. Quit and go find a game with fewer things that bug you. (even if u make your own it likely will never be perfect)  2.  Don't put yourself in the situations that bug you.(don't waste your time climbin to that buff)

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2001, 11:44:00 PM »
Yep, wait till a 30k buff blows the fuel on most of your front line fields.

Or better yet, wait till they figure out that 6 b17s at 30k running all over the front line can screw all fuel...

Oh my, buffs at untouchable alts suddenly do seem something to be concerned about eh?

Guns? We still dont know if the guns are supercharged or if they have perfect convergence with all guns they can bring to bear (thanks to bug, nearly all of them!). Mix that with the frailty of the DModel in AH and you got 105mm equivalent hitting you at d1.4 (we know they got the range boost due to lag issues)!

I still dont understand how a buff can hit a 500mph diving & twisting con at d900  on its 11 or 1 oc lo and kill it with that single ping. But it happens.

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2001, 12:08:00 AM »
Well I just don't know about you pepe....I was the pilot of that 30k plus B-17....and by the way it was 27k!!! My gunner "Bandit1" caught you just sitting there off our right wing at 1.2k out...NOT A GOOD THING TO DO!!!after your four passes...you need to learn to fly...most pilots in AH shoot us down!! What was your problem...NEED TO PRACTICE THERE!!!! If this was true to life action I'd of had seven gunners as was the case with B-17's....we as buff pilots only get to carry ONE!!!! so it seems you've got the advantage,if you know what your doing....for myself and Bandit1 it was a fun mission....thanks!! <S>
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