With Friends Like These, Who Needs Enemys

[JoeCrip]

Ok, so today in Baltic, North of a21, i find my self in a 109. As I am flying along, i see Zippauth draging a f6f, about 1k below him. I give him a "6 call", then said, "Hang on, otw". I engage the f6f, and about 30 seconds later, shoot off his tail section. Now, normally, when i shoot off an enemy's tail, and he is floating down, i go in and finish him off. In this scenario, it was just me and Zippauth. I know zippauth is a good piolt, and assumed he wouldn't kill steal from me. Well, i was wrong. The next thing i know, is I see Zippauth dive , and promplty kill steal. I have a film of this, and will post it as soon as i dig it up.

Ok, there's the story. WTF has happened to the MA. EVERYONE is kill stealing, even the people i respect, well, used to respect. Are people that worried about their precious K/D, and perks? please.

Ok, now here's my idea. AS SOON as a plane is no longer flyable, the game automatically awards you the kill. So, if you shoot off the tail section of an enemy plane, and it can no longer fly, the kill is instantly awarded to you.

Comments?

[eddiek]

I've long wondered how come the AH damage model didn't look at that.  When the plane is no longer flyable, it is a kill, no need to wait til the pilot ejects (which I seldom do) or it hits the ground/water surface.
Would all but eliminate kill stealing I think, or at least it SHOULD.

[Kieran]

C'mon, guys. I was in the MA the other night. Fan took the left wing off a 17, I took the right, and the guy flew home. I assumed it was done for and turned away, but looked back in horror to see the guy gain his field (ok, not horror, disgust ).

Fact is, you shoot until something pops.

Just a few minutes ago in the CT I let Eddie die because a Zeke we were working like a rib took what I thought were fatal hits. It looked like he was afire, and he passed before me at 150. I could have easily applied a 6x50 enema, but didn't want to steal the kill. Guess what? It turned and killed him. I shoulda took the shot.

[eddiek]

Hehehe.......oh well, it's pretty much a given that the Zeke in AH flies FOREVER on fire.  BS, I think, but that is what we have.  I forget that fact from time to time, and it comes back to bite ya on the bellybutton sometimes, like today.
Other planes WILL go down when on fire or smoking like a Zeke does, not fly around for a long time still getting kills.
I still stand by my earlier remark.  But......if the plane IS unflyable, make the icon go out completely?  Might make aiming really hard for a potential kill stealer or just give him/her the message "this one is dead, you tard, move on"..lol!  

[JoeCrip]

or just give him/her the message "this one is dead, you tard, move on"..lol!

I can assure you, the message i give to someone who kill steals from me is a lot more vulgar than that

[recklis]

All we can hope for is as the newer players delvelop an awareness to the situation or simply pay attention.  As for the vets who are doin it its gotta be 90% intentional.  In most cases I can tell pretty quickly when a guys down.  



Sheet..now that I think about it... There aint two sorties where im not lookin over my shoulder for some rotten bottom dweller lickin his chops for spinner.

You all suc :!:mad:

[2Late4U]

It has reached epidemic levels in the MA, it ruins moral and generally pisses people off.  

Don't beleive it, take a wing off a bomber at 10k....and start counting the dweebs who dive in for a shot at it.

[Puck]

As a newbie who would like to learn proper etiquite that's brings up a good question.  

The other day I was one of a couple that was swarming a Lanc.  Guy in before I had pretty much mangled his left wing; he was still a flying cripple on three and a half engines.  I went in and removed the wing.

Given the amount of damage already done I assumed the other guy would get credit, but I got the kill.  I rather thought that unfair, and felt badly about it.

As a rule I won't attack fighters that have been smoked unless they're on final to land; bombers I keep after.  

Is there a 'standard' for that kind of thing I should know?

[Hangtime]

lol!

MA score dweebs!

lookit yerselves....like a pack of rats arguing over the table scraps.

'i killed it, it's MINE!'

'no yah didn't.. he's still flying...'

'it ain't flyin, it's fallin!!'

'no it wuzn't.."

'yes it wuz. it wuz on fire, 'n everything!'

'wuzunt'

'wuz!'

who da fek cares? while yer all buzy workin yerselves up over who's fediddlein zeke it was/is/might be/will be/should be/ain't/won't ever be/woulda been, the fediddlein game moved on! so should you!



score dweebery.. sheesh.

[Wotan]

Dont jump in some bodies kill.

My guys (Joe is one)  fly lw planes. In 109s we fly with out gondolas. If in a g6 or g10 mostly 30mm. We stop shooting when the guy is on the way down. We dont spray and pray we fire when we know we will get hits. That said if you see a guy falling to earth leave him he is someone else kill.

If you see a guy workin the piss out of a guy and has a clear advantage stay out of it. I remember a time when you would get "You need a hand with that spit?"

This "shooting after they are dead" has really gotten bad. I had thought that a lot of aw guys did it. I know they did because I had a few words with some. Until I found out that in aw you just kept shootin at a guy till he blew up.

When theres multiple guys hitting 1 con or 1 buff then its up for grabs. But once critical parts come off leave him. Everyone wants to kill and have fun. You know what a guy looks like when hes free falling out of the sky with no tail or wing.

I dont think its too much to ask from any one.

[Pongo]

Well I think it should be a piece of cake.
If a wing is totaly gone the plane is unflyable, if the engine is on fire the plane is unflyable if the tail is gone the plane is unflyable. Kill is awared to pilot and no one further can score that kill.
If a wing tip is gone the plane is flyable, same for rad, fuel, elevator, rudder etc etc etc
If the plane is flyable it is not a kill. An engine fire is not fightable in AH. That is a kill.  
In all these cases the award of the kill will be much more accurate then waiting till the airframe hits the ground or the pilot is killed or bails.  It just seems inherantly more likey to achieve the goal we all want of awarding the kill to the person who defeated the enemy. And since the dweebs wont know that the other guy got awared the kill in all likley hood they will chase the bogy down spraying as they go.  Then they wont get the kill..and they will come here to complain about it..
then we will have them.
wha ha ha ha
The flaming will be grand to behold!

[Zippatuh]

It was a misunderstanding Joe and I apologize.  I do not remember seeing anything you typed to me.  I probably heard the check-6 and ignored it.  Although he was turned 6 side of me I had the engagement under limited control, as much as you can with someone behind you.

I had been pulling the F6 into a few ropes and he was falling for them.  I think I already had rounds in him from a snapshot before.  The last drag I had pulled the both of us to an almost complete stall.  I was watching him out my left 6.  I switched views and saw tracers then you come by.

When I came over the top I saw the F6 in a spin that looked to me like he had stalled out at the vertical.  So yes I followed and hit him with a burst.  I did not see that his tail was off because of the blue against the terrain.  I didn’t even hose him down because I knew he couldn’t recover the spin that’s when I passed and saw the tail gone.  I actually thought I might have done it with the rounds I just caked off.  

Then I got the private from you a few minutes later asking why I stole the kill.  That upset me because I didn’t see it as you did.  I pulled the contact into a stall setting him up for myself I didn’t realize you had taken the tail on the last rope.  As far as I was concerned I was following through with the engagement.  I have never followed someone else’s kill down to take it.  I don’t have to do that to get kills.

I’m sorry you see it this way Joe but it was not my intention to steal anything from you.  I also apologize for the way I responded on private.  At the time, and I still think, the argument could have been had both ways.  I believe without question that I had him on the last stall.  If you had exploded him and not taken just parts the only difference in this situation would have been, I wouldn’t have accused you of stealing my kill.

What could be wrong with the MA, sure, I’ll take the blame for that what the hell.  If I’m what’s wrong with it then I don’t think it’s all that bad.

As for changing the kill awarded to include major parts as well as most lethal damage, which ever comes first, that’s good for me.  I really don’t know where that will be placed on a priority list though.

C’ya up another day.

[hblair]

If you want my kill bad enough to steal it, have at it.

[MANDOBLE]

If a plane is no longer flyable, or if a plane is on fire, disable its guns. If the pilot wants to fall some more feet fefore bailing out, ok, but stop these suicide-sprayers, specially flying buffs in flames.

And I agree with Pongo, determining when a plane is over is really easy:
No tail, no elevators, no wing, no wingtip (in some planes), no rudder and no ailerons, or plane on fire, all of them are sure deaths. Any other damage or damage combinations do not ensure a kill. Award the kill when the enemy is going to crash without hope, and "award" the death when he actually crashes.

[Hangtime]

what? what about the bails? betcha the same guys that want their score cards puched for 'certain kills' will no doubt holler bloody murder when THEIR plane pops as instantly dead when a stab comes off or it gets torched... what about the guys that woulda wresteled that shot ta toejam airframe down for a ditch, or even made it outta the fight, or hung in long enuff to get some help?

if the objective is team play.. when yah damage an enemy enuff to take 'em outta the fight, you oughta be movin on, coverin yer wingie or gettin back on to yer original objective anyway.

if the objective is 'my scorecard' or chest thumpin, then all this kill stealing noise is just that.. noise.

YOU know who took the enemy oughta the fight.. so, are you just lookin fer the system billboard 'attaboy, i'm a bad ass, i gotta kill, lookit dat "SYSTEM: VICTORY 3 by hugahunk of  **PINHEADS**' or are yah just intent of seein yer score cards punched, or are yah after team play?

Kill 'stealers' oughta just be ignored.. just like any other bottom feeder.. they are in the food chain... if it bugs yah, private the guy, if he keeps it up; film it; publish it; embarrass him with it, stop clearin his six because he ain't a team player. But don't ask HTC to regulate it.. how we play the game is up to us, not HTC's game code... and doin what you ask just takes the sim further from team play and closer to 'score cards 'r' us', IMO.