Time for a new arena

[oboe]

An interesting experiment might be to open the SEA with event-type icon settings and a historically accurate planeset and terrain for just a couple nights a week- say, 6pm to midnight CST on Sundays and Wednesdays.

I don't see how that would divert development resources.

The planeset is far to weak in Japanese aircraft for a serious PTO setting, but it might work for Fortress Europe or Eastern Front.

Make sure to publicize it though, so its a fair test.  And run it for at least a month so we get reliable results.  It'd been interesting to see the numbers in there, and how much of a dent it puts in the MA population.

BTW I'm one of those who's taking break- got tired of fighting the Spits, N1K2s and LA-7s that overrrun the MA, and $30 a month is too much for the few events I would be able to attend.  Weekend afternoons are just a real bad time for me, and always will be.

[Gadfly]

Well, I do not have raw data, Hooligan, but I am sure that you know some WB CM's or maybe ICEMAN.  Ask them.  It is a given, and I have seen it with mine own eyes, many times.

Here is the assumed logic:

Given an arena of persons looking to find a fight, and a large number of fields.

If radar is large enough to encompass many fields the fight will spread out to those fields.

If it is not, the fight will concentrate at either a base under attack(enemy will show on radar), or at the 2 closest bases.

[Hooligan]

Well I have seen my country lose radar many times in AH and it is my OPINION that after this event, finding fights is harder while the radar is down.

However I am not attempting to pass my opinion off as a fact, which is exactly what you are doing.

Hooligan

[Gadfly]

Well, Hooligan, I am not talking about Strategic utilization of Radar, I am talking about arena setup.

If you doubt this empirical data, ask the CM's or ICEMAN.  I hate to keep using WB as an example, but it is all I know(and I don't see why it would be different here).

In the War room Arena, this holds true.  In the WWIIA it held true.  In the HA it holds true, and in every arena-type event that I have run it holds true.

edit-Spelling, and:

When I design an event, I take this in to account, and use it to direct the battle.  Just the fact that I am able to do this this somewhat proves the point, but, I will acknowledge that it is opinion, rather than fact.

[ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Gadfly ]

[Gadfly]

Here is another way to look at it, Hooligan.  In AH, with the arena wide radar as normal, are the fights condensed to one or two bases or are they spread out over the map a bit?

If I was wrong, wouldn't arenawide radar tend to bring everyone in the arena into one small area(at least up to the point where inviso-planes and lag dissuaded people from joining the furball)?

[hazed-]

Originally posted by Creamo:
Well that’s a new one. Guys (Hazed) whining about the AH MA after they quit, while playing off someone else’s account! Amazing. That’s got to be a recorded first.

whining? recorded first? I take a flight on AH and see nothings changed, read this post and agreed. no whine mate.er..how else do you suggest people ask for new stuff?
you describe what you like, then what you dont like then you ask for whatever you want to see.The idea being HTC read them all and try to design the game to gather more customers(more profit).
your veiw of what i say means nothing unless you dont want the HA because it would ruin the game for you and would therefore leave,removing money from HTC.Thats the only time your veiw as a customer is relevant.Stranger still,in the same breath of calling me a whiner you say you'd play the HA?!? make your mind up, either you dont want change or you do, stop riding my bellybutton for asking for what id like to see eh?

there i did it...I resisted the temptation to tell you to diddly off!..oops  

btw you ARE PAYING right? not just commenting on the MA from the H2H lounge still right?  

Dowding: just read what you said and totally agree.that sort of thing would be perfect.It would provide 'enough' historical stuff to fend off that repetative MA feeling which originally drove me away.It wasnt a fault with the engine or the FM.(both the best available)
the point that low numbers in 2 arenas may cause problems in attracting new customers is a valid one but as it stands HTC lost my $30 a month because there wasnt enough scenario/historic type playing to keep me here.What you(dowding) suggest, i think, would.
Im only guessing but id predict too much historic flying would also get tiresome for most of us if we just get that all the time.So the mix of MA/HA would be great to maintain interest.
Take other games online like operation flashpoint where one night you feel like doing missions sneaking around with stealth then another night you just wanna blow something up!   when theres a choice in the style of play you tend to remain interested in the game.

sorry was that a whine also? CREAMO! CREAMO!...would you come over here and let me know?  

[ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

[Citabria]

I used to play warbirds.

I spent nearly 0 time in the MA because i thought it was a stupid arena not worth 1.50 an hour.

but the HA was well worth the price and always a fun time to fly historic terrains with historic enemies from similar time periods.

the AH MA is just as stupid as the old WB MA was and its not worth the price either

[Hooligan]

Okay Citabria I am curious.  Why are you posting on this thread under both Fester and Citabria?

Hooligan

[Citabria]

you assume to much hoolijerk

[ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Citabria ]

[Creamo]

Heh, tweak out man.

[lazs1]

gadfly.. u didnt read what i wrote.  In the WB HA, when the fields were few and close together and it was early war with slow planes... people tended to fight between a couple of fields.. Late war and fast planes the fite spread out.   It wasn't no dar in WB it was tower only dar and a 2 sided war with very small numbers of players.  It was also very difficult for a lone suicide bomber jerk to close one of those very active fields.   they tended to try for the back fields and if one was captured it was just another close field to fight at/from..

AH is different... fields are made usless instead of being captured... 25% fuel, unable to take off etc.  Radar is turned off for only one country when it is...  they are blind, no info at all.  That is what spreads out the fite.   We don't even have early war planes but I bet when we get em we won't have people flying 2 or three sectors.   they will tend to fite between 2 or three close fields...  bombers will still be the spoiler in AH tho making it easy for the arena to go sour for early rides.
lazs

[lazs1]

festabria... u have developed a skill that is not only unrealistic so far as real WWII combat but more importantly... out of sinc with 90+ % of the players in AH.   While I have no problem with you pushing ideas that would further your agenda and make things simpler for you I think that it is obvious to all that, like the LW, what is good for you is probly bad for the rest of us.
lazs

[Gadfly]

Laz, it holds true in the WWIIarena, no matter the terrain or plane set or number of people.

[Hooligan]

Cit:

That is why I am asking questions, to clear up assumptions.  Are fester and Citabria not the same person?  Did you lose and recover the Citabria BBS access?  Are you going to answer my question or just limit yourself to personal attacks?

Gadfly:

Are you ever going to get past the point where you pretend that your opinions are facts?

Either start providing proof or start including "IMO" or "I think" in your posts.

Hooligan

[Gadfly]

What proof do you want?  All I have to go on is experience.

If you are the WB Hooligan, then simply email ICEMAN and ask him.  He won't give you "proof" either, but he will give you his experience.