Author Topic: Tunisia This Friday! (Read 3596 times)

brady · « **on:** April 09, 2002, 04:17:36 PM »

We are happy to say all is GO for Tunisia this Friday, Map Master NUTTZ has labored long and hard to bring us this spectalur map! I sugest you all go and download and just fly around and look at it, it is that cool.

I took the liberity of alowing earler models of some of the fighters to add depth to the set and a little diversity.

Alies:

B-26
C 47
Huricane Mk I, IIC, IID
LVTA-2, A-4
M16
M3
M8
Ostwind
Mosquito
P-38
P-51B
Panzer IVH
PT Boat
Seafire
Spitfire I,V
TBM

Germans/Italians:

Bf 109,E-4,F-4,G-2
Bf 110C-4
C 47
C. 202
FW190A-4
JU 88A-4
LVTA-2,A-4
M3
M8
Ostwind
Panzer IVH
PT Boat

The Ostwind was added to represent the large number of 37mm and 40mm mobile AA mounts used by both side at this time. The P 51b and the P 38 that we have are not the models that were in use at this time, the P51A was used in NA, so I going to limit these planes to a few fields in the NW of the map. Medieum Bombers will be enabled at Medieum and Large fields only. The Alies get two CV's one with Seafires and Huricans, the other with Huricans only, both of course will have the TBM.

brady · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2002, 04:18:19 PM »

Almost forgot:)

Hangtime · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2002, 06:37:17 PM »

Interesting matchup.

Suggestion.. give the axis the 109g-6 and the C205, and enable the p47d-11 also.. I'd not miss the 'b' pony a bit if yah left it out and put the p47d11 in.

I suspect thats a typo on the Fw190a4.. u mean the a5, yes?

Any of these birds perked?

In any case, lookin forward to it.

NUTTZ · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2002, 07:04:05 PM »

Hangtime, that sounds like a pretty fair trade to me. ANyone else want to comment?

Suggestion: could any of the Axis rides be enabled at the axis CV's? Of course they would be hard to re-land on them, But I seamed to screw up not knowing Germany and Italy have no CV based planes.

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Interesting matchup.

Suggestion.. give the axis the 109g-6 and the C205, and enable the p47d-11 also.. I'd not miss the 'b' pony a bit if yah left it out and put the p47d11 in.

I suspect thats a typo on the Fw190a4.. u mean the a5, yes?

Any of these birds perked?

In any case, lookin forward to it.

brady · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2002, 07:51:33 PM »

No perks at, all all planes free.

G-6 and 205 did not see action in Tunisia.

P47 did not see action in North Africa.

Yes sory A-5:)

Hangtime · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2002, 11:37:38 PM »

If we called yah terrible names and screamed and stamped our feet would yah change yer mind?

No?

Can we call yah terrible names and scream and stamp our feet anyway?

(checks list of uncalled names)

Henh. damn. None of those names were ever used in North Africa either.

brady · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2002, 11:53:46 PM »

LOL!:)

Shane · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2002, 12:27:19 AM »

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Originally posted by brady
No perks at, all all planes free.

G-6 and 205 did not see action in Tunisia.

P47 did not see action in North Africa.

Yes sory A-5:)

hmm did the p38L <--- note this lil letter see action in north africa? big difference bewteen a p38E-G and L models.

may as well put in a 109g6 if you're gonna put in the P38L.

if there were only a way to slightly pork the 38's performance to reflect an earlier model, until one is actually modeled.

the P-38L was, after all, a 1944 plane and we're talking late '42 thru mid '43 action.

just sayin'

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2002, 02:53:36 AM »

Yes Shane you are of course right, howeaver P 38's did serve in this theater and I do not feal the P 38L is going to cause an imbalence in any way. It would be nice if we had an earler P 38, but we do not:(

Shane · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2002, 04:56:18 AM »

well with the 51b and the 38, the allies are going to have the two fastest planes, none of the lw's gonna be able to touch them. and like the 109g6, neither of these versions were used in the n. african campaign.

i can't follow the logic of "109g6 wasn't used in N.A., so we won't use it" when you go ahead and use allied versions of planes that saw no service there either, especially late '43 and mid '44 planes in a late 42/early 43 planeset. and actually, the a-36 (forerunner of the 51) arrived in N.A. just *after* the tunisian campaign, and the 51B is quite a different plane than the A-36. as is the P-38F used in N.A. compared to the P-38L.

so consider adding the g6 for a little parity (the differnece between the early/late 51's and 38's are more pronouced than the differences between the 109g2 and 109g6) - a gameplay concession just as the 51B and 38L are. or take out both the 51B and the 38L.

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The first A-36A flew on September 21, 1942. Deliveries of the A-36A were completed by the following March. The A-36A equipped the 27th and 86th Fighter Bomber Groups based in Sicily and in Italy. They initially were painted in olive-drab and light-gray finish and were painted with yellow wing bands and yellow circles around the national insignia. Both of these Groups arrived in North Africa in April of 1943 just after the end of the Tunisian campaign. They saw their first action during aerial attacks on the island of Pantelleria, with the first sortie being flown on June 6, 1943. The A-36A was involved in the taking of Monte Cassino, and participated in the sinking of the Italian liner *Conte di Savoia*.

The Lightnings were soon in regular combat in the North African theatre. The first of these took place on November 19, 1942 when the P-38Fs of the 1st Fighter Group escorted B-17s on a bombing raid on the El Aouina airfield at Tunis. The three P-38 groups contributed a great deal toward the establishment of local air superiority in the area. On April 5, 1943, 26 P-38Fs of the 82nd Fighter Group claimed the destruction of 31 enemy aircraft as against the loss of six Lightnings.

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38_17.html
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_6.html

Wilbus · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2002, 06:10:04 AM »

LOL Hang

P51B will be uncatcheble but no problem, not all that many people fly it because of guns, the people who do fly it and fly it well are damn fun to fight with.

Sounds like a great setup

Sabre · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2002, 08:25:02 AM »

Nuttz: The Italians DID produce a very capable carrier aircraft for the CV they had under construction but never finished. The CV was a conversion of a liner, and was destroyed in port by P-47's according to my sources. The aircraft developed to fly off of it was built and operated from land, and a float plane version was operated off ships using catapults. The Italians built this aircraft to have good range and carry a usable bomb load (and a small torpedo, if I'm not mistaken) for anti-shipping work. They did this to preclude the need to develop specialized attack aircraft such as dive bombers and torpedo planes. I can't remember the name or disignation of the aircraft, but I believe several hundred saw service.

By the way, I spend some time off line with your terrain, and it is terrific. Great job. I only wish HiTech had let you keep the bridges in.

Sabre
CT Staff

NUTTZ · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2002, 10:22:20 AM »

When i designed this map I did use geographic data, some military (Rommel's line Is really about 25 miles off from real life, but moved it for gameplay). I had no idea the axis do not have a CV based plane. So the axis have 2 CV's with no planes, the good news is,, water is only on the top edge and 1 side, so the Axis do controll MOST of the water to shore area and will have plenty of support. I also think i made the axis feilds stronger and giving them a small advantage to defend. I asked Bradys5 to keep buffs limited to Medium only, I think this will be alot of fun. If he desides to add large buffs , that also wouldn't be a problem since it is a small map they would never get enough alt. I also used the cloud editor to help hinder the bombing.

I am in no way a historian I just do alittle research make the map balanced with the tools provided by HTC and tried to build it unbias. So if a few things aren't accurate, so what, fly have fun. I Hope to get to play on both sides of this map.

I remember one of the first senerios in AH , i didn't get a plane but was asigned to Ripsnorts Tank platoon, GAAWD THAT WAS FUN! I didn't expect to have so much fun in a tank. I hope this map rekindels that spark between ground and air working for a common cause.

This will be an interesting week, I like to see who can gain ground.
NUTTZ

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Originally posted by Sabre
Nuttz: The Italians DID produce a very capable carrier aircraft for the CV they had under construction but never finished. The CV was a conversion of a liner, and was destroyed in port by P-47's according to my sources. The aircraft developed to fly off of it was built and operated from land, and a float plane version was operated off ships using catapults. The Italians built this aircraft to have good range and carry a usable bomb load (and a small torpedo, if I'm not mistaken) for anti-shipping work. They did this to preclude the need to develop specialized attack aircraft such as dive bombers and torpedo planes. I can't remember the name or disignation of the aircraft, but I believe several hundred saw service.

By the way, I spend some time off line with your terrain, and it is terrific. Great job. I only wish HiTech had let you keep the bridges in.

Sabre
CT Staff

TheOxman · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2002, 10:24:12 AM »

why didnt they let you keep the bridges?

Eagler · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2002, 10:45:48 AM »

thanks for the smaller map

even with less numbers it should stay interesting

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