Lets come up with some peaceful, economic solutions to the Israeli/Palestinian issue

[mietla]

Originally posted by wsnpr
Please, some peaceful solutions. No name calling, or kill em all types please.....go start your own thread in this case.
 

Originally posted by wsnpr
So Ripsnort, please show us your great intellect and reasoning skills....If you don't have one, please go to another thread.....or can you not understand requests/instructions
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wsnpr,

you are violating your own rules by resorting to personal attacks

[wsnpr]

oops double post...sorry

[wsnpr]

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Originally posted by wsnpr
Please, some peaceful solutions. No name calling, or kill em all types please.....go start your own thread in this case.

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Originally posted by wsnpr
So Ripsnort, please show us your great intellect and reasoning skills....If you don't have one, please go to another thread.....or can you not understand requests/instructions
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wsnpr,

you are violating your own rules by resorting to personal attacks
mietla

mietla,
LOL are you saying Ripsnort is not intellegent and not showing reasoning skills? I'm leaving it up to Ripsnort to post here and we can determine for ourselves. And no, I am not name calling despite what I may think of some individuals. I'll leave the individuals to bury themselves.
BTW, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO THIS PRESENT ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN ISSUE?
please stop splitting hairs and nitpicking to minor issues.

[Tac]

Build a 3 story high wall. Unlike germany, these people need it.

Make the holy cities be vatican-like states governed BY the UN and freely accessible to each side providing no weapons are introduced. If they want to fist fight in there, I hope they get shot by a UN rubber pellet in the nuts.

Another solution would be relocating 1 side. Logical choice would be israel, though I dont think they'll want to leave, even if you gave them a bigger, richer, totally peaceful land to live in.

[Ripsnort]

Here's alittle test for you...ignore "nationalities" such as "Arab" or "Palestine", and just take this cultural test please?

Let's pause a moment and take the following test...

In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics by:
(a) Grandma Moses;
(b) The night cleaning crew at Rockefeller Center;
(c) Invaders from Mars; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Norwegians from the Lichen Herbarium of the University of Oslo;
(b) Elvis;
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A pizza delivery boy;
(b) Crazed feminists complaining that having to throw a grenade beyond its
own burst radius in basic training was an
unfair and sexist job requirement;
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) Luca Brazzi, for not being given a part in "Godfather 2";
(b) The Tooth Fairy;
(c) Butch and Sundance, who had a few sticks of dynamite left over from
their train mission; or,
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by:
(a) The entire cast of "Cats";
(b) Martha Stewart;
(c) Cheeze-crazed tourists from Wisconsin; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were
bombed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers;
(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems;
(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha
the Merciless"; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed by:
(a) Bugs Bunny, Wil E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd.
(b) The State Supreme Court of Florida, trying to outdo their attempted hijacking of the 2000
Presidential election;
(c) Grandmother and granddaughter going to Grand Bahama Island on  vacation
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

Hmmm...nope, ain't no patterns here.  Darned if I know why we should ever even think about profiling or supporting any Palestinians.

[mietla]

Originally posted by wsnpr


mietla,
LOL are you saying Ripsnort is not intellegent and not showing reasoning skills?

not at all. I I clearly took your post as a personal attack on Rip. I have no intention to defend Rip (he can do it himself).

Originally posted by wsnpr

BTW, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO THIS PRESENT ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN ISSUE?
 

well, I don't have one, and come to think of it, I'm not even sure whether the peacefull solution exists. You are assumming that is it possible for Arabs and Jews to live as peaceful neighbours, it's just that we have to find how. I'm not so sure.

Remember how Rome-Carthage conflict was solved? Cato had finally gotten his wish "delenda est Carthago", although it took him a while to persist.

The solution worked, but was not that peaceful.

Maybe the UN should have establish Israel in defeated Germany, not in a Middle East (only half joking).

[streakeagle]

Given the history of these people, there never will be a solution short of one side obliterating the other.

Israel didn't just decide to go and seize some extra land, she did it out of defensive necessity after repeatedly being invaded. I am sure the Arabs would love to see us force Israel to give back by treaty what they lost and could not get back by force. Giving back the occupied lands in resonse to terrorist attacks is appeasement of terrorism.

On the other hand, Israel wouldn't exist if the western powers had not given her the arms to take and hold the land by force.

I see no right or wrong, only two determined peoples defending their cause by any means necessary. The "solution" offered at the beginning of this post is laughable. People like Arafat have committed their lives to ensuring that every last Israeli suffers for their crime of simply breathing. Israelis seem to feel the same way about the Arabs. No written law or treaty ever controls how people really act, it takes the involved parties sincerely wanting to change and taking the actions necessary to do so.

If I were Israel, I would not concede to anything. They have been and still are strong enough to hold their position against every single nation around them. When the Arab nations are capable of defeating Israel, then maybe negotiations are in order. If Palestinians don't want Israeli tanks running over their people, they best stop strapping on bombs and blowing up Israelis. If Israel wants the suicide bombing to stop, they have two choices: surrender completely or kill off everyone who is willing to suicide bomb them which would make it damn near genocide.

My one hope is that this situation is diffused back down to "normal" levels of violence before an all-out war occurs. If it comes down to Israel versus the Arab nations, then I hope the US forgets about oil prices and remembers what the Arabs think about the US and its culture. Would it be so bad if we rolled over all the Arab countries and left Israel in charge of the oil? I fear in the name of economics and world opinion, the US is going to abandon one of its truest allies. Even if Israel was completely dissolved and the land restored to Arab peoples, I don't think the Arab attitude toward the west or the US in particular would change much. The US government may have some very difficult decisions to face in the near future. Decisions that may affect the course of history for all of humanity.

May saner minds prevail in the Middle East and find a way to restore the balance without shedding so much blood. Failing that, I wish Israel the best of luck in defending its right to continue existing as a nation free of daily terrorist attacks and hope we never have to suffer the same.

[Curval]

Originally posted by wsnpr


Curval, You don't think that most Israelis and Palestinians would be happy of a peaceful solution? Just curious, what would be YOUR solution?

wSNPR

Dunno man...I think MOST Israelis would be happy for a peaceful solution (not all certainly, because there are some extreme right wing elements that don't want peace)...but I think that the actions and rhetoric of the Palestinians suggest that MOST do not want peace...unless that peace comes after the extermination of Isreal.

Have you seen the details of this telethon that is taking place right now...Rip mentioned it briefly.  It is enough to make you want to be sick!  They are gonna give $150,000 to each family whose child matryred themselves by way of suicide bombs!!!!  I would blow myself up if I was poor and living the way the Palestinian refugees are living.  They pray on their own people for heaven's sake!  

Ripsnort mentions the term "infadels"...that is who the jihad currently targets.  Infedels are you, me, and everyone non-Musilm.  When was the last time you heard of the Musilms referred to as "Heretics" or "Heathans"?  The Middle Ages for Christ's sake (no pun intended)! Rip is right....they want to kill the infedels...all of us!!!!!!

Okay...so you asked for a solution....don't have one.  But neither does the most brilliant diplomats that we have on this earth...no-one can figure it out because it is based on religious fanaticism.  "Your" solution is going no-where...not because it isn't a good idea, but because you simply cannot reason with religious fanatics

[babek-]

Originally posted by Ripsnort

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Norwegians from the Lichen Herbarium of the University of Oslo;
(b) Elvis;
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women; or
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

The Iranians could ask the following questions:

Who deposed the democratic elected iranian prime minister Mossadegh and put again the dictatorical Shah of Iran to power in the 1950ties ?
(a) Norwegians from the Lichen Herbarium of the University of Oslo;
(b) Elvis;
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women; or
(d) Christian male and maybe also females from CIA/USA?

Who helped the Imperial Iranian Government to organise a Gestapo-like intelligence service called SAVAK which eliminated thousands of intellectuals and democratic iranians until the Shah was deposed in 1979?
(a) Norwegians from the Lichen Herbarium of the University of Oslo;
(b) Elvis;
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women; or
(d) Christian male and maybe also females from CIA/USA?

So - should we conclude that christians are mad or fanatic or radical?

SOME of them are - as SOME of other nations, religions or races.

But never ALL. There is no COLLECTIVE guilt of a single nation, race or religion.

[Curval]

babek...

Your list is somewhat smaller than Rip's...and I have actually HEARD of the events to which he referrs to.

Your post reads like someone grasping at straws!

[Eagler]

dunno if there really is one either

I don't think both sides are on the same level of civilization

be like a missionary trying to "get along" with a bunch of cannibals he stumbled upon in the jungle

seems like two very different realities or concepts of living/life there ... the whole thing is very sad

Dunno if a wall would work, maybe if it had 1/2 mile of very dense minefields to keep them separated it would

[CyranoAH]

I think I have the solution.

Let's colonize Mars and we give it to all the religious radicals in the world (be them muslims, zionists, christian wackos...)... or even better, to all the radicals in the world.

Heck they would not only have their own sovereign nation but also their own sovereign planet!

And we could all watch the "Martial Wars Live!" program on NASA TV or ESA TV!

Watch'all think?

Daniel

[bmcleaver]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
I think I have the solution.

Let's colonize Mars and we give it to all the religious radicals in the world (be them muslims, zionists, christian wackos...)... or even better, to all the radicals in the world.

Heck they would not only have their own sovereign nation but also their own sovereign planet!

And we could all watch the "Martial Wars Live!" program on NASA TV or ESA TV!

Watch'all think?

Daniel

I was thinking about this...

Find a meteor that is roughly the size of earth.  Send a bunch of guys to land on it and affix some sort of device enabling us to propell and guide it.  Bring it into the same orbit as earth on the opposite side of the sun and figure out the angle that it needs to rotate in order to maintain it.    

Intant terra forma no?

Then we can continue with your plan Cyrano.

[XMSR]

1)Give a Sattelite Dish to every muslim house on the planet.

2)Shoot down all Muslim operated Sattelites.

3)Replace with Western operated Sattelites.

4)Start beaming CNN BBC and or any other non-Muslim controlled news to the muslim world so they can hear the other side of the story for once.  

It'll take a generation before the attitudes start to change IMO.

How to pay for this? Take the money we spend on Muslim nations now and apply that to the program. Legalize pot and tax the hell out of it. Force tele-marketers to call Muslim housholds overseas every second call...who knows mabey Muslims will enjoy being hassled to buy stuff they'll never need.


Cheers!!

[Thrawn]

THEY'LL never have peace, nothing will satisfy them but the extermination of the other people...blah blah blah.  Just like the Catholics and Protestants in N. Ireland.  

"But that's diffent...blah blah blah"

"We gots to blow them all up, no other solution" LOL

Dickheads.

LOL