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Offline lord dolf vader

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« on: April 13, 2002, 09:26:25 AM »
how much we give israel every day of the year. hehe no wonder they have national health care and we dont.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2002, 10:13:02 AM »
Note this one on your calendar :)

I agree with Towd here.

We're loooooooong past the time that Israel needs that kind of aid from the US.

Not much hope of getting it changed in the US Congress though (IMO).
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2002, 11:04:08 AM »
17 Million?

That's all? Hell... that's nothing. That's not enough to buy a single F-16 fighter.

We spent $1.3 Billion for Project Columbia.

One more number to put this in perspective and I'm not saying that this is a poor investment, but it costs the U.S. $13 Billion each year to operate JUST the Marine Corps.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2002, 01:06:20 PM »
Yeah, but couldn't it be put to better use elsewhere? Are there 365 hospitals or schools that could do with even a fraction of that money?

Perhaps the US government could start a new scheme called 'Money We Used to Send to Dubious Unappreciate Middle Eastern Democracy'.

Civic projects and the like could apply for a slice of this money to help fund their endeavours. We kind of do a similar thing over here with our lottery money. It's been quite successful.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2002, 02:00:07 PM »
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Perhaps the US government could start a new scheme called 'Money We Used to Send to Dubious Unappreciate Middle Eastern Democracy'.


Why be so restrictive? How about:

"Money We Used to Send to Dubious Unappreciative Countries All Over The Globe" ?

Maybe we could then have a well-funded public health program and improve our schools and.. and.. and......


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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2002, 03:57:41 PM »
17 million isnt even a drop in the bucket.  That probably covers Israelis ammunition cost for 1 day.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2002, 06:17:30 PM »
did you read what he wrote. he said 17 million a day. thats 6 billion a year, is this really true?
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2002, 06:31:04 PM »
I've seen same numbers but I can't be sure if they are correct or not.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2002, 06:34:14 PM »
Why don't you lobby your Senator, Toad? Sounds like a good idea to me. I wonder how much the US recuperates in improved trade relations though? Are there conditions on where and how such money is spent - for instance all arms have to be of American origin.

As for the figure, I've seen 5 billion quoted.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2002, 07:09:52 PM »
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did you read what he wrote. he said 17 million a day. thats 6 billion a year, is this really true?


Wow... you're right. This is what I get for responding to posts when I'm half-awake.

Million here, million there and pretty soon we're talking about real money. $6 Billion is far far too much.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2002, 07:20:42 PM »
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/index_usint.html


several other sources if you want to look. bogles the mind no.

cut them off without a dime.
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2002, 08:17:59 PM »
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17 Million?

That's all? Hell... that's nothing. That's not enough to buy a single F-16 fighter.


But you can buy one every two days :D
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2002, 10:45:28 PM »
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Why don't you lobby your Senator, Toad?


Because my Senators... and Representatives... like politicians in EVERY country EVERYWHERE are for sale to the highest bidder.

And I'm not even in the same league with guys that can bid for them; in fact, I'm not even bidding.  :D

However, the idea of "buying" a politician always reminds me of what happened when American "big business" thought they owned Teddy Roosevelt.

That instince of "buying" gave rise to the famous outburst from steel baron Henry Clay Frick: "We bought the son of a squeak and then he didn't stay bought!"

:)

The idea that the US Congress would even reduce, let alone totally cut off, aid to Israel flies in the face of everything we know about politicians and "special interests" with deep pockets. It won't happen. However, they may not "stay bought" for long; they're always "on sale" again soon.

Take a look at the entire list of countries we send money to and post a link here. I'd like to see it. I bet there's plenty of "questionable" folks on the list.  

Sure, it bothers me.

But I don't let it keep me awake at night.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2002, 05:37:24 AM »
Money makes the world go around eh? ;)

That's why we should do away with it and embrace international communism!!!

I had to say that, in case Cabby was reading this thread. Wouldn't want to dispel any set-in-stone illusions.

But seriously, I don't think Western democracies provide aid out of the goodness of their hearts, or at least not too often. That would be incompatible with cold hard capitalism, IMO. There would have to be kick-backs. Does Israel ever buy arms from other countries, for instance?

Where does Egypt spend its money?

I'd do a search but it's sunday and I'm going for a run. :)
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2002, 09:09:25 AM »
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But seriously, I don't think Western democracies provide aid out of the goodness of their hearts, or at least not too often. That would be incompatible with cold hard capitalism, IMO. There would have to be kick-backs.  


So, if all aid isn't given totally altruistically it's not really "aid" and no one should take pride inthe giving or helpin?

So, if we give some country... say Afghanistan or someplace.... 100 million tons of US wheat then we should be ashamed that we also helped US wheat farmers by artificially raising demand for US wheat? We should be ashamed of this positive "kickback"?

We should rather give them a big slug of money and suggest they buy the wheat from Canada?

Tell me this isn't what you're saying.  :)
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