Author Topic: Lets talk about France (Read 1391 times)

Hortlund · « **Reply #45 on:** April 23, 2002, 06:19:25 AM »

My condoleances

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #46 on:** April 23, 2002, 06:21:34 AM »

He is an extremist but a lot of people are drawn to that so I'm sure more reasonable people will emerge to appeal to a wider section of society along these lines.

Those kind of politicians,have through history talked to the inner
"devil" in people,especially to those with low or no education,
they are easy manipulated.

straffo · « **Reply #47 on:** April 23, 2002, 06:53:33 AM »

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Originally posted by CyranoAH
I'd like to hear what Straffo has to say on this subject

I'd be worried to live in a country where so many people vote those extreme-right wackos...

Chirac will win, that's for sure, but this has been a serious warning...

Daniel

PD: Qu'est-ce que c'est passé dans la France, Straffo? À quoi est-ce que ces gents qui ont voté Le Pen pensent?

I'm extremely upset and sad by this event ...

30 % of the french choose to not vote at ...

and le pen has been helped by the fact whe got 16 candidates for this election and so the vote where kinda diluted among all candidates

If you look at previous election lepen just got has many vote as previoulsy but and the left and rigt party got the same number of vote but as I said before "diluted" among all candidate

In fact I expect to see a 85% Chirac 10% lepen for 2nd tour

straffo · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2002, 06:55:44 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Its nice some French are waking up to fact that Communism and the overely charitable immigration policies arent such great ideas. And yes I consider France to be more or less Communist/Socialist in her internal economic behavior. Franky I just dont get the uproar caused in Europe when one of these right wingers wins something, toejam the EU bastard commienazis actually imposed sanctions on Austria because her people democratically elected somebody who was politically incorect into a middle postion in government. Maybe this EU commienazism isnt such a hot idea after all if totally attacks national iddependance and self determination. And do they so boldy encourage such self destructive immigration policies, cursed be the day when we have a Europe with few "Europeans", and this is a real possibility.....

WTG 17% of the French electorate! Hopefully we'll see more of this brave behavior. My sister just returned from visting friends in Denmark and she tells me many are outraged at the permissive left wing governments and that rational sensible right wing parties are gaining wider and wider support. This is a good sign for a weak, tired fearful and overly feminized and popsiclefied pointless Europe.

Grun you outbound here.

It's not funny at all

straffo · « **Reply #49 on:** April 23, 2002, 06:58:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
And once again the PC hysterics emerge from the walls. Ready to strike down on anyone foolish enough to break their unspoken code...

Morons

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1. Get your facts straight Dowding, nearly 70% of the electorate cast their vote in the first election. (source: TIME magazine)

2. Last time I checked, democracy actually meant it was allowed to vote for the guy you wanted in office.

3. I thought it was allowed to have an opinion without being accused of racism, or to have people imply that you are a victim of sexual abuse (and Maniac, exactly how low is that?)

4. More people voted for the extreme rightwing candidates Le Pen and Bruno Megret (who broke away from Le Pen's national front after a personality clash with the leader) than for the sitting president. That can't simply be written off as a protest vote.

As usual you show your lack of knowledge.

And I don't think you are able to analyse how the French have voted for the last 20 years

Hortlund · « **Reply #50 on:** April 23, 2002, 07:18:11 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo

As usual you show your lack of knowledge.

And I don't think you are able to analyse how the French have voted for the last 20 years

Look, before you start rambing insults again in semi-english, please do tell me what exactly is wrong in my post, instead of making sweeping, pointless remarks.

Go on Straffo...you tell me what is wrong with the 4 points I posted.

-dead- · « **Reply #51 on:** April 23, 2002, 07:25:18 AM »

My point was that all "Europeans" are, when considered on a long enough timeline, immigrants.
So whose culture do you defend and whose do you seek to prevent "'oppressing and attacking from within and out European history identity and ethnicity"?

In order for you to hold that people "are" European, you should clarify & define the term European - ie What are your criteria for a person "being" European? It would help if you answer these questions:

1) What areas of land "are" Europe?
2) How many generations of a person's family have to have lived in the above defined "Europe" for them to qualify as "being" European?
3) Are any "ethnic"/"racial" groups exempt from being considered "European" despite having lived there for many generations? In which case please provide some criteria for "race" or "ethnic" group. What makes a person a particular "race" or "ethnic" group? How can one distinguish between "races"or "ethnic" groups?

Next I'd like you to clarify your definition of "European" history/culture.

1) How far back in history are we going?
a) All of history? [Remember that 99.99% of Europe's history involves no people at all, so all humans are "just off the boat" as far as "Europe" is concerned]
b) Some of history? If so which bits?
2) Much of recent "European" culture & technology has come (or should that be "immigrated"?

) from other cultures outside Europe, which replaced the "European" culture or technologies. E.g. Christianity, alchemy, gunpowder, algebra, paper... the list is pretty substantial. Should they now be prevented or banned to retain a more "European" culture? What are the criteria you would use to decide which non-European technological and cultural innovations can be considered as being allowed to "become" European?
3) Much of European history has been profoundly affected by these non-European technologies & cultures - should that history be discounted as "being" non-European?

While all these questions? Well I am intrigued by your position. And to hold a proper argument we should define the terms used.

For my part: I posit that there are no original, true Europeans, and there is no solely European culture. The people of Europe, much like people everywhere, are "mongrels", and the history and culture of Europe, much like everywhere else, is a history and culture of successive immigrations and mixes of many different cultures.
Trying to keep a purely "European" culture is like trying to keep a pure mixed fruit juice.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #52 on:** April 23, 2002, 07:25:52 AM »

Two notes about inmigrants:

- In Europe, most of them are mainly doing all the work that we, elitist europeans, dont want to do. As a curious example, here, in Spain, we are "importing" inmigrants (most of them from Argentina) for our ground forces and even to populate some towns. It is funny to be at Buenos Aires and see some TV spots of the spanish army calling for recruitment

- All USA citizens are inmigrants or direct inmigrant descendants (except sioux and similars).

babek- · « **Reply #53 on:** April 23, 2002, 08:36:52 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo

I'm extremely upset and sad by this event ...

Maybe France has to be upset that this readical LePen was lucky that the left parties were devided in so many parts that Lionel Jospin got 1% less votes.

(Also its bad that in France the counting-systems are far better working than those during the US-president-elections when they had recount the votes again and again without getting a clear result

)

But for one thing we all could repect the french:

They showed in an impressive way how shocked and ashamed they were when they had to face the fact that LePen was successful.

And by this - in my opinion - they got their honor back and surely have no reason to be ashamed any longer.
The LePen-nightmare will end with the May 5th, when the french will vote in favor of Chirac.

The only sad thing is that the political career of an honorable politician like Jospin was destroyed by creature like LePen.

straffo · « **Reply #54 on:** April 23, 2002, 10:14:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

Look, before you start rambing insults again in semi-english, please do tell me what exactly is wrong in my post, instead of making sweeping, pointless remarks.

Go on Straffo...you tell me what is wrong with the 4 points I posted.

You don't deserve any answer

Stay in your bubble and stop pissing me with your pseudo knowledge about how we vote in france

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #55 on:** April 23, 2002, 10:49:40 AM »

All this arguing about racism is getting in the way of a perfect opportunity to bash frogs.

Mighty1 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 23, 2002, 11:31:27 AM »

babek- we DID get a clear winner but the Democrats just didn't like the results.

midnight Target · « **Reply #57 on:** April 23, 2002, 11:32:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
babek- we DID get a clear winner but the Democrats just didn't like the results.

Now who is the revisionist?

Mighty1 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 23, 2002, 11:35:22 AM »

*sniff* *sniff* He started it!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #59 on:** April 23, 2002, 12:34:13 PM »

-dead-

You are pointless again. By your reasonoing there are no "native" populations anywhere, only in a small patch of east Africa by the great rift valley where a small batch of humans first evolved.

As for how to distinguish between ethnic groups, well thats stupid.

Human races are like dog breeds and there are physical differemces between the races based on evolutionary adaptations to evolution. Or do you think it's just a coincidence that some people have dark skin compared to light skin, or that some people store fat in different parts of the body more efficiently, or that some people tend to be taller than others. Or that asians have "double" eyelids, if you even know what that is?

What areas of land are Europe?

I find this insulting! All you who ask for attacks on Europe just read -dead's- babling here. Europe starts from the mdeiteraninan in the south, atlantic in the west , arctic in the north and raches far into russia in the east. At some point russia becomes part of asia, which has iots own borders, just like every continent.

What does intecultural trade of goods and ideas have to do with my distate towards ridiculosly genereous imigration policies that only invite abuse. I see no douality in my idea that Europe should remain european and that it can get ideas from other parts of the world. I just dont want a Europe to become like the USA with no really unifying history any more.

"For my part: I posit that there are no original, true Europeans, and there is no solely European culture."

Again I find this insulting and offensive.

By that rational Europe does not exist, why do you hate europe so much as to deny its existance?

Oh I see you live in Hong Kong are you Chinese? Well you know what there are no real Chinese you are all really Europeans who were once Africans who have no real culture and no history. So is it ok if the British colonize again and take over rest of China. And surely the Japanese must come back too, since you had such a fine old time with them in past.......