Author Topic: Time for the Brewster? (Read 8272 times)

Sikboy · « **Reply #75 on:** May 14, 2002, 10:57:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Steven
Wow. Very informative thread. I was always under the impression the Buffalo was one of the major dogs of the war, though I always had great respect for the Hurricane. A few quotes really have me interested in learning more about the Buffalo...

Just from this thread (and others on this board), and the limited things I know about the Buffalo from genearl Pac war reading, it seems to me that the reputation that we Americans have for the Brewster is based on several factors that do not count when the Finns are looking at it. The planes has some differences. The Finnish Buffalo performed somewhat better than the US one (am I wrong here?), but more importantly, the USN/USMC Buffalos were fighting well trained exerienced Japanese Pilots, while being poorly trained with inferiour tactics themselves. Give em Spits, and I bet they still do poorly. Anyhow, that's the impression I have.

-Sikboy

SageFIN · « **Reply #76 on:** May 14, 2002, 03:51:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy

Just from this thread (and others on this board), and the limited things I know about the Buffalo from genearl Pac war reading, it seems to me that the reputation that we Americans have for the Brewster is based on several factors that do not count when the Finns are looking at it. The planes has some differences. The Finnish Buffalo performed somewhat better than the US one (am I wrong here?), but more importantly, the USN/USMC Buffalos were fighting well trained exerienced Japanese Pilots, while being poorly trained with inferiour tactics themselves. Give em Spits, and I bet they still do poorly. Anyhow, that's the impression I have.

I guess that the rest would have to with the opposition flying Zeros, particularly the early ones, which probably can outturn the Buffalo and so leave it with very few advantages or none at all.

udet · « **Reply #77 on:** May 14, 2002, 03:53:39 PM »

I bet an I153 or a Gloster Gladiator can defeat a Brewskier Buffalo Winger easily.And they are BIPLANES!!!

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #78 on:** May 15, 2002, 12:02:35 AM »

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Originally posted by udet
I bet an I153 or a Gloster Gladiator can defeat a Brewskier Buffalo Winger easily. And they are BIPLANES!!!

If by "Brewskier Buffalo Winger" you mean the Brewster model 239 flown by the Finnish Air Force, I'll take that bet. How about a 100 billion US dollars?

The BW's shot "Chaikas" down in droves. The Brewster had better performance than the I153 or Gladiator, except in turning.

Camo

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #79 on:** May 15, 2002, 12:06:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Matson
But it is BW-354

Thanks Matson! It's hard to see whether the number is a 5 or 6. So it is a different plane.

Camo

Wmaker · « **Reply #80 on:** May 15, 2002, 06:11:41 AM »

Hmm....I must be going blind or insane...probably both.

Yep...it's BW-354. I still don't understand why I didn't see it the first time you pointed it out Matson.

Btw Camo, after Juutilainen stopped flying BW-364 (february 1943). It became a mount of lnt. M. Salovaara. 18.10.1943 it was sent for an overhaul. 18.12.1943 it was given to 3./LeLv 24. 8.4.1944 it was given to 1./HLeLv 26 and was there lnt. E Teromaa's mount. 29.7.1944 it was shot down in the region of Toljajärvi-Loimola. Co of LeLv 26 Lauri Larjo bailed out but died to his wounds later that day.

(SIH 1)

-tronski- · « **Reply #81 on:** May 15, 2002, 08:32:30 AM »

Make it RAF, or Dutch!

-tron-

BlauK · « **Reply #82 on:** May 15, 2002, 12:30:43 PM »

LOL, tronski...

Is that a flame bait?

RAF and Dutch Bresters were the later Buffalo versions which performed much worse. Nothing shiny or glorious in them

... well maybe a bit, but not as much

-tronski- · « **Reply #83 on:** May 16, 2002, 06:07:32 AM »

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Originally posted by BlauK
LOL, tronski...

Is that a flame bait?

RAF and Dutch Bresters were the later Buffalo versions which performed much worse. Nothing shiny or glorious in them ... well maybe a bit, but not as much

That obvious was it?

I've always liked the nice orange triangles on the dutch planes, however thought maybe cause Pacific war is on the way, might make a nice addition

I'd just like to see a RAAF/RNZAF P-40, or Beaufighter, so good luck to yas if you manage to get your Finnish Brewster

Tronski

BlauK · « **Reply #84 on:** May 16, 2002, 06:25:10 AM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
I'd just like to see a RAAF/RNZAF P-40

Have you missed this?

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 16, 2002, 08:34:51 AM »

Brewster is ugly and the Fokker G1 is a much better addition

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #86 on:** May 16, 2002, 08:37:48 AM »

Thank u tronski

those orange triangles looks much better than that err cross

julle · « **Reply #87 on:** May 16, 2002, 11:49:26 AM »

G1?!

Now THIS is a FOKKER:

SERVICE
STATS,
1939-40
130 kills
by 47 pilots,
1941-44
61 kills
by 40 pilots

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/sarvan/sarvan.htm

~~julle~~

-tronski- · « **Reply #88 on:** May 16, 2002, 09:47:18 PM »

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Originally posted by BlauK

Have you missed this?

Right plane, wrong colour

Just can't please everyone i guess....

Tronski

Glasses · « **Reply #89 on:** May 16, 2002, 11:33:28 PM »

Give the crazy Finns the Brewster I bet they can make it sing even in the MA.

I'm all for it