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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2002, 12:23:10 PM »
When I watch gun camera films I can somehow seperate the images from reality and not usually think about the fact that a person is being killed.  But I don't think I could stomach watching it in person.

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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2002, 12:53:57 PM »
"Saburo Sakai survived a solo engagement in his A6M5 Model 52 Zero-Sen against a group of F6F-5 Hellcats, maybe as many as 15."

Below is an excerpt from Sakai's book, Samurai in which he describes the encounter.



http://www.banzaisquadron.com/samuari!.htm

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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2002, 01:03:55 PM »
it it be true I would have loved to watch this

Lev Shestakov & Hans-Ulrich Rudel

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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2002, 01:20:59 PM »
Werner Voss is definatly one of my Favorite aces of all time, It was a sad story, and the pilots who downded him later said they wish he would have survived. Werner Voss was most likely the best pilot of WW1, almost always flying Solo. In that last fight, he not only put bullets into every SE5, but also dammaged most, if not all, quite bad.

Marseilles fights would have been nice to see aswell.
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2002, 02:12:49 PM »
I'll have to remember this bit from Samurai for later whines: "The fools in those planes were firing from a distance of 500 yards. Waste your ammunition, waste it, waste it, I cried. "

500 yards a waste hmmm?

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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2002, 03:30:31 PM »
What i would want to see....

Finnish ace of aces Ilmari Juutilainen (92 confimed) versus the single Soviet pilot...

A lone Soviet fighter, La-5, appeared over a Finnish airfield and started circling it. Others stared at it, Ilmari Juutilainen ran to his Messerchmitt 109 G-6 and took off.

The single Soviet plane saw him and kept circling. The pilot let "Illu" climb to his altitude and then both pilots turned nose to nose.

An unbelievable long one to one combat started. No other aircraft of either side was around. It was one pilot against another. One was great best scoring Finnish pilot, whose plane had never been touched by enemy bullet. Another was an unknown pilot, but a master - an artist. They fought for 10 minutes... 20 minutes... Might have been even longer, maybe nearer 30 minutes. Both planes climbing and climbing, turning and burning, reaching 4 km, 5 km, 6 km, 7 km. It was only in the end when a sudden ray of sunshine appeared, which Illu used and managed to get a single burst which hit the Soviet fighter.

It began to fall down, uncontrollably. Illu followed it, hoping "bail out, bail out". But the Russian pilot did not.

That must have been a dogfight, if there ever was one pure 1 to 1.

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Another combat of different kind that would have been interesting for me personally, was told by mr. Olli Sarantola, a local pilot who flew Fiat G.50, Brewster and Bf 109 G-6. He described one flight in summer 1944, when his Brewster flight was in interception mission.

They came out of a large cloud. And found 120-150 Soviet bombers below, 40 La-5 fighter above. And four young pilots with old, war-worm Brewsters in between.

One pilot, don't remember the name outright, just pushed nose down, dove at the bombers, flamed one and continued dive towards cloud escaping. Others got away somehow.

I can only wonder at those men. How they continued to fly and fight, even when they knew they face same kind of odds every sortie.

Meeting next Friday a Me 109 G-6 pilot... Let's see what he was to tell.

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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2002, 03:33:19 PM »
One I've always dreamed about is a duel that occured between Adolf Galland and "Big John" something.  (Pisses me off that I can't remember his name.)

Galland was in a 190D-9 (long nosed FW) and Big John was in his P-38 (L I think).

Started at fairly high altitude, and Galland decided to dissengage.  Big John followed him down, and they ended up IN an abandoned strip mine filled with water.  Galland would go around and around in below the surrounding countryside, and Big John would "cloverleaf" his 38 in and out trying to get a shot.  

The D9 started smoking a little after one hit, but John ran low on fuel and decided to head home.  He broke left at the same time Galland broke right to run for home as well.

A few years after the war, Big John was at a convention of aces and was brought over and introduced to Galland.  He then asked Galland if he had ever heard from one of his 190 buddies about this dogfight, and proceeded to tell the story.

He was so wrapped up in the story he didn't notice Galland go white, then red in the face.  

Finally Galland exploded with "You somanasqueak!! You dom nearly keeled me that day!"


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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2002, 04:21:40 PM »
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1 Sep 1942: Hans-Joachim Marseille's 19 victories.  9 were shot down in one sortie.  Story is his armorer counted the ammo after the sortie and saw Jochen had used just 20 cannon shells and 60 mg rounds to down the planes.  :eek:  He later shot down 8 more in 2 sorties later the same day.  This in a 109F against British Kittyhawks and Spits.


From all Marseille's kills I would love to see his last one, when he dueled for 20 minutes with spit. After this one he said: "It was a real ace. I have no idea how it will end next time".

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2002, 05:12:46 PM »
I would like to know if Brown shot down the red baron. Always mystified me.

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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2002, 05:24:02 PM »
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I would like to know if Brown shot down the red baron. Always mystified me.

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Nope. One bullet only was found and its flightpath came from forward and below. Ground fire.