apples to oranges

[Maniac]

I see it everyday here people claiming that an WWII arena here wont work here. Their main argument is : Look at AGW look at all the whining...

Guess what, the ones complaining over at AGW still got their MA as an option, they djust cant drag anyone from the WWII arena into the MA, thats why theres so many complains and post about "shut down the WWII arena".

Regards.

 

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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[Yeager]

Flew in the WW2 arena, didnt like it there, wont like it here or anywhere else I go.  WW2OL is altogether a different story.

Leave that stuff for a HA amd scenarios.

Yeager

[Westy]

 Maniac, they were all hollering for a historical 2 sided war arena too.  And they got it. And they piss and moan about the number imbalances, sidwswithing and Uber plane loyal players. So it is a most appropriate comparison.
 So WB's doesn't have an MA any more? Just an HA and a WW2A?

-Westy

[Mox]

Load balance the numbers, make it so you have to PAY perks to move sides, or give a perk bonus to the outnumbered side.  all of these ideas have NEVER been tried (as far as I'm aware of).

Call it a defectors fee or something similar.

Maniac, the old timers will continue to slam you and say "read this link" (pointing to a DIFFERENT sim, without perks), "it's been done before", "it wont work" etc.  

Apples to Oranges! <S!>

Mox

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[lazs]

don't know if it will "work" or not.   some people will stay in AH or WB no matter wht you do to it but... WB is cheap now and the numbers instead of increasing are slowly decreasing.  

If AH went "historical" most would stay and a lot would stay and squeak.  One thing is certain tho...

Historical matchups are lopsided and boring.  They limit plane choice and the variety of fights is cut to allmost nothing.   Sure you can come up with ways to "force" balance and add even more animosity but you can't do anything about the obvious.... Historical matchups are dull, vanilla ones.  Even the slowest witted among us learns the 3 moves required in Historical matchups.
lazs

[Maniac]

Indeed WB still has its MA but no one uses it...

Stop saying it wont work and setup the arena, then we will se if it works or not. I do understand the ones who are frightened by another arena setup, it will empty the current MA in an hour or so.

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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[Westy]

aniac, the old timers will continue to slam you and say "read this link" (pointing to a DIFFERENT sim, without perks), "it's been done before", "it wont work" etc.

 Mox, NO ONE has modelled or implemented a side balancing tool in ANY of the online sim/games I've played. They have ALL done the 2 sided war thing and it does not work well at all.
  There is a difference between asking for what has been shown not to work from asking for somehting that has a feature never done before.
  So if you want to piss folks off by calling them names and dismissing thier opinion based on fact and long term experience then just  f&ck off.  Or post to hear yourself talk because you'll soon have alot of people just plain old ignoring you soon enough as you apprrantly only want to dictate and mock, not discuss and listen too.

 Maniac, so no one uses it and those that do want to dictate to those who are not by trying to have the WW2A shut down? Jesus, that's pathetic.
  And conversely those who use the WW2A piss and moan about it - unless they fly Allied of course.
 
 Yup. Maniac knows what he's talking about. We need a WW2A!!!!  <snork>

    -Westy

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[Maniac]

What can one say lol  



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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[Yeager]

WBs has suffered a great deal as a result of the ww2 arena.  I could feel it when I was there and I read it daily on AGW.

Its a result of a inexperienced crew running things at iEN.  They will grope the learning curve and learn how not to screw up as time goes along.

LOL

Yeager

[sky_bax]

LOL

[Yeager]

Its true!

L@U

goofy goo!

[Westy]

 Skybax, you're needed on home turf!  

ICEMAN KILL THE WW2A

Now I am lol

  -Westy

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[sky_bax]

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/007882.html

No I`m the one LOL, he he.

AH, WB, 2 color, 3 color, 4 color, MA, HA, WWIIA, axis / allied, free-for-all arena....

...... always will have unbalance # "at times"

Squads, times zones, poor sportsman like conduct, and so on.

ALL 27/4 practice arenas will have these issues.

Only organized events have # control.

Its not the sim, its not the arena set up, its the players.

That simple.

Listen to the BS all you want, think what you want, its clear cut.

[Westy]

"ts not the sim, its not the arena set up, its the players."

 I'm well aware of that. Very much aware of that. You come over here and poke your head in to snip. I just went over there and brought back to this discussion an example of the same stink in response. Difference is I'm doing it here, where I am a customer. you're not. Once again you're playing the WB/AGW net cop and blindly rushing the defense of WB's with one of your typical knee jerk reaction posts. I think you chose the wrong handle. Don Quixote is more appropo, eh?
 
 Funny you should use Wegaman's post as an example. "lol" at *you* once again.

  -Westy


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[Mox]

 

Originally posted by Westy:
Mox, NO ONE has modelled or implemented a side balancing tool in ANY of the online sim/games I've played.

Ok now that we all agree on this we don’t need to bring up all these other games up, agreed?

 

Originally posted by Westy:
They have ALL done the 2 sided war thing and it does not work well at all.

I agree.  I’m not asking for a specific number of country’s, I’m talking about a restriction/load balance of the numbers, it really doesn’t matter how many countries if they all are load balanced.  I don’t think we have enough players to get crazy with the countries.

 

Originally posted by Westy:
There is a difference between asking for what has been shown not to work from asking for somehting that has a feature never done before.

I also agree.  You admitted above that the restrictive number feature has never been done.  I think we are on the same page so far…

 

Originally posted by Westy:
So if you want to piss folks off by calling them names and dismissing thier opinion based on fact and long term experience then just  f&ck off.  Or post to hear yourself talk because you'll soon have alot of people just plain old ignoring you soon enough as you apprrantly only want to dictate and mock, not discuss and listen too.

Here’s where you lost me…  I’m not dismissing anyone’s opinion nor calling anyone names.  I’m sorry if you took offense to me using the word “slam” but isn’t that exactly what you’re trying to do to me?  Westy I got nothing personal against you, and you shouldn’t take this thread personally it’s like the other 3 or 4 threads active on the board now.

Leph, Dingy and several others have all brought up some very good ideas as to penalize people for ganging.  We all know the ganging will never go away unless something is done about the numbers, be it restrict sides, give perk bonuses to the underdogs, decrease perks for the gangbangers etc.

I believe the majority of the players would like to have somewhat even teams and the only way to do something like that is make it so gangbanging is detrimental to your stats/perks/scores or restrict the defections (side swapping w/o a set of checks and balances) etc.  I believe most of us agree that gangbanging is promoted in the current MA and will never go away if it’s left up to the honor of the players.

Mox