Request for a LW heavy bomber.....

[Citabria]

yep b24 would be better than any german buff

[Wilbus]

The Ju88S could, i think, carry as much as the Ju88 we have now, which is about 6600lbs or 3000kg. Not sure of it's armament, its speed kept it allive.

[Dr Zhivago]

Karnak, Ju188 A1 was just prototype, A2 was mass produced bomber version while A3 was torpedo bomber. Ju188 is based to A4 version airframe, so its just same rugged plane with much better defensive armament. Major difference was new spherical full view combat head with turret on the top of cabin. Cockpit held four men and arrangement was similar to the A4. So it should be quite easy job to model Ju188 A2 to AH.

[Dr Zhivago]

Originally posted by Wilbus
The Ju88S could, i think, carry as much as the Ju88 we have now, which is about 6600lbs or 3000kg. Not sure of it's armament, its speed kept it allive.

Ju88 S1 got BMW 801 G engines with Gm1 boost. Defensive armament was single  MG 131 behind the cockpit and bombload 800kg (1760lb). Max speed was just 600kmh ???

Ju88 S2 used BMW 801 TJ engines. Armament was twin MG 81 behind the cockpit and bombload 1500kg (3300kg)

Pick is showing S2 version, S1 is similar looking but lacks big bomb bay under the fuselage...

[Viper17]

How bout a FokerWulf-200-Condor?

Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)

Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A

Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.

Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)

Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4

Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)

Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)

Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)

Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel

Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)

Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear

Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.

Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.

Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings

Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells

Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar

Total Production: 276

[Glasses]

nah, I'd prefer a He177 A5.

Fw200 is like us asking for a 190D9 and they suggesting us to get a 109V2 instead. NO thank you

[Viper17]

Condors are purdy:D

[Wilbus]

Condor is nice looking plane for sure but it's worthless for the MA. max speed of about 230Mph and less load then a Ju88 and B17. Worthless to say the least.

[Dr Zhivago]

Condor isnt best LW bomber addition to game. Fw200 was quite effective long range bomber during early part of ww2 but later this plane proved too vulnerable. Condor got structural weakness in the wings and fuselage so plane could break up in the air or during landing. Condor would be good transport or goony plane.

[Viper17]

Precicely. A EARLY long range LW bomber. it carrys as much as B26 PLUSS 2 missels.

[Hristo]

You have to be kidding ! A Fw 200 ? How many of you would fly it in tha MA anyway ?

If LW types ask for a decent buff, then He 177 is the choice.

How is it fair to even mention the B24something in this thread ?

Look at how many LW buffs are here. A Ju88A-4 ! Great. an early war buff with small bombload and weak armament. And now someone even sugests Condor, an ex-passenger plane, used only to its great range and only against shipping. The plane would disintegrate even if the 202 attacked it. No thanks.

He 177 all the way !

[GRUNHERZ]

Hristo don't ya know anything would be better in MA than a He177...... Especially the mighty He111 of 1940 fame.....  

[Viper17]

You are right. But if recon was a biger part in this game i could see the usage of the condor. 2,500+ range verry useful.

[Glasses]

For whom is it useful? For MA there are only 2 things that matter speed and armament non of which the Fw200 has the He177 is a 110% better choice for a luft bomber than a  measly condor.

Again it's like asking for a  190D9 and instead someone suggesting a FokkerDr1, no thanks.

[Karnak]

Glasses is right.  The Condor was a joke, pressed into LW service as a bomber only due to desparate need for a long range recon/bomber.  If another German bomber from that time period is added I would vastly prefer the He111.

In the context of the MA I still think that the He177A-5 would cause issues that make it a poor choice and that the Do217or Ju188 is the way to go.  Particularly the Ju188A-1.

Dr Zhivago,

Info I have says that the Ju188A-1 was the first production version to have the intended Junkers Jumo 213A engines.  The Ju188A-2 added flame dampening equipment to the Ju188A-1 model.

IIRC, German prototypes are designated by a "0", Ju188A-0 for exmple.  Any number greater than zero indicates a production model.