Request for a LW heavy bomber.....

[hazed-]

having just read a book on bomber crews and also being a bit fed up with the rediculous 7.92mm guns on a ju88 with a poor top speed to boot I am requesting a new bomber for the LW pilots in this game.



heres some choices :


Dornier Do 217:

produced : 1,730
performance: Max speed 348mph at 18,700ft
armament: 2x13mm up to 6x7.92mm + 8,818lbs of bombs

used in large scale operations against UK in early 1944, by middle of the year the majority remaining in service were missile carriers, and these continued to operate with limited success until the end of the war.



Heinkel He-177 greif

produced: 1,200
performance: Max speed 304mph at 19,685ft
armament: 3x13mm 3x7.92mm 2x20mm
+2,205lb + 2x Henschel Hs 293 missiles OR
33 rockets OR
75mm cannon
etc etc (loads of various loadouts)



Junkers ju 188

produced: 1,076
performance: Max speed 311mph at 19,685ft
armament: 1x20mm 1x13mm 1x7.92mm + 6,614lb of bombs

this aircraft would at least be a more suitable aircraft for MA/CT than ju88a4



what do you think? is there a possibility of anny of these arriving in AH?

[Nefarious]

Sorry to Hijack.

But i would rather see a FW-190A3 before Luftwaffe gets a bomber that will be seen just as much as JU88. Sporadically.

[Duedel]

Sorry to Hijack.

But i would rather see a Me410

To the Bombers, yes the Greif would be cool, i mean LW needs a really BIG BUFF (like VVS too).
Furtheron i would like to see a few variants of the Ju88.

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by Duedel
Sorry to Hijack.


Furtheron i would like to see a few variants of the Ju88.

Oh yeah and those too, Yes it it is time for Ju88C-6 or G-6 with painted tail too like C-6.

[Esme]

(Barges in and cracks a couple of heads together)

Hello!

Hazed, I'd happily go for the Do217 of Ju188, but NOT the He177, because that would just get used like B17s in MA play, and is very little use for scenario plays. I'd rather have the He111 than the He177 for that very reason.

The LW does NOT need a big buff so much as it needs the conditions to fly in that the real LW did - which was far more often night and cloudy weather than is seen in the MA.

Imagine if we more often saw solid cloud at 3,000ft... -which would mean the heavies would have to fly into murderous low-level flak. Theyre bigger targets and less manouverable than planes like the Ju88, B26 and Ki67.  True they can take more of a beating, too, but I'd stll rather take my chances in a Ju88 than a Lancaster in THAT scenario.

IMO, it's far better to ask for planes that would add more variety and see more use OVERALL than trying to find Axis planes thatll survive in the Axis-unfriendly MA environment.  On that basis, I;d go for the Do217, Ju188 or He111. :-)

Esme

[HFMudd]

Wow, five posts on a "new plane" thread and nobody has asked for the Bearcat or biplanes.

Got to be some kind of record.

(Oh yeah, I want ME-410, a larger Japanese planeset, the ME-163 and ... early war bipes!)

Having contributed nothing to the thread, I now return to my hole.

[Kirin]

I am all for the Dornier!!! Sometimes you just need a BIG pounder and as a LW only freak I have no choices in AH...  

What brings me to another Hijack (sry mate... ). The other niche where LW is totally lacking is a transport! There is only ONE choice for it: Ju52! Hey, carries troops, supplies and defense armament... :drool:  Infact the 'Tante Ju' is the only WW2 plane that is regularly roaring over my home! (well, there was an airshow near my home some time ago - man, was I surprised to see a B17 coming over the forest... )

[keyapaha]

ju188 gets my vote its a beautiful plane with a tad bit better defense.

[theNewB]

great choise man! i would rather see a Heinkel He 111H or a Z with good defence and good bomb oad of 2500kg ( 5511lb) the Dornier is another good choise great bombload of 4000kg (8818lb) and has good defence to boot. the Greif aint a good choise it was a horrible plane engines cought fire quite frequently and it was a major mechanical problem and would only be 'realistic' if those probs were put into AH (and what are th chances of HT doing that just for one plane) otherwise you have a good choise.

[devious]

Sorry to hijack.

But before more LW bombers are implemented, AH just needs a FW-190 to fill the gap between the A4/A5 and the A8 - you guessed right: bring the  FW-190 A6 to AH !!!11 4x MG151/20 goodness on an A5 airframe, many A5s were field-modified............................

[Duedel]

Originally posted by Esme
...but NOT the He177, because that would just get used like B17s in MA play, and is very little use for scenario plays. I'd rather have the He111 than the He177 for that very reason.

Do u really think that we (the leather wearing LW's) like to fly a B17 as a substitution for our He177? But honestly its not only a matter of szenarios. The He177 would be a good addition for the MA. Because my knowledge about history is limited i dont want to argue about the use for szenarios.

[brady]

If I had to pick a German "heavy" it would have to be the He 177 I beleave it's max bombload was 13,200 pounds, it packs a serious defensive aramement and was in service at about the same time as the JU188 and far more capable in terms of bombload and defensive aramement than the JU 188. The Do 217 is not nearly as capable a plane as the He 177 and would be redundant in the since that we already have the JU 88 a early war buff. The He 177 A5 had most of the bugs worked out of it that made the He 177 famious for it's mechanical problems, those types of defencies are not factored into HA and would be of no concern to the players, Hands down the He 177 is the best bomber for AH for the Germans.

 I must say this though, I hope it is NOT modeled in the near future, Japan,Italy,and the USSR are in dier nead of aircraft of all types I sincerly hope we see those wholes filled before the second whealthest county (plane model wise) has another plane added.

[Tumor]

HE-111

[cajun]

Originally posted by HFMudd
Wow, five posts on a "new plane" thread and nobody has asked for the Bearcat or biplanes.

Got to be some kind of record.

(Oh yeah, I want ME-410, a larger Japanese planeset, the ME-163 and ... early war bipes!)

Having contributed nothing to the thread, I now return to my hole.

I'll fix that, Add Biplanes!!!

Hs123 Carries 2x20mm cannons and 1000lbs of bombs:eek:
and still seeing combat as late as 1944!

CR42 Has top Speed of 312 mph and carries 2x20mm cannons or 2x12.7 mm mgs.

Gloster Gladiator/Sea Gladiator: 4x7.9 mm Mgs with total ammo of 2000 rounds top speed of 254mph in level flight.

I-153: 4x7.7mm mgs or 2x13.7mm mgs and 2x110lb bombs and 6xrockets some also had retractable landing gear.

Fairey SwordFish: Carried 1500lbs of bombs or 1x1500lbs torpedo
1x7.9mm mg firing forward and 1x7.9 mm inback for gunner/observer. type: carrier based.

[-ammo-]

The obvious choice is the B-24, of course.