Author Topic: Bf 110C-4 25 mph too fast. (Read 746 times)

Squire · « **on:** May 14, 2002, 03:53:45 PM »

At least. It out runs SpitIs on the deck easily.

290 TAS max at sea level is what its supposed to do not 315 TAS.

Its faster than its own AH charts indicate its supposed to be.

I hope this is looked at, its no wonder all the LW in the CT fly it over the 109E, I mean why not? its a 110G really. Cripes.

Regards.

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2002, 07:30:34 PM »

Hello, Luftwaffe fans?!?

Here is an example of a bluntly overmodeled Luftwaffe aircraft. This is your chance to show how unbiased you really are and press for realism by asking for it to be fixed.

The silence is getting louder in here.

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2002, 08:12:41 PM »

because he types a post?

atleast other guys offered up films and pics of stuff they tested.

Urchin · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2002, 08:13:41 PM »

I'll check it out, run some tests.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2002, 08:34:29 PM »

Wotan,

Nope. This was the second thread about it, in the last one Ripsnort posted his test results.

Here:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53248

That thread garnerd the same notice as this one, none.

Urchin · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2002, 08:46:43 PM »

Sorry Karnak.. my test doesn't agree with Rips. Sea level speed (tested at 50 feet anyway).

Me110C: 289 (no wep)/ 299 (wep- 5 minutes)
Spit I: 283 (no wep) / 291 (wep- 5 minutes)

Doesn't even come close to making the 315 claimed here or the 335 claimed in Rips test. Maybe I did something wrong?

EDIT: Oh, for my test I climbed the 110 to about 3,000 feet, levelled out without WEP, went and smoked a cigerette, came back. Climbed back to 3k, dove without WEP, levelled out and punch WEP. Ran level until wep ran out. Proceeded to kill 2 drones with MGs, and then ran into a hangar trying to fly underneath it inverted

. I'll check out the Spit I next.

EDIT, part deus: Just checked the AH help chart on the 110C.. looks like it matches up pretty exactly to me.

EDIT: Part.. tres?: Added the Spit I. It can outrun Spit I's, not sure about the 'easily' part though.

funkedup · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2002, 08:54:14 PM »

I bet Rip had the G on accident.

thrila · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2002, 09:11:00 PM »

I got 290mph when i tested it. Funked, yer probably right.

Hooligan · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2002, 09:41:06 PM »

So you can film the test and use the film viewer to get exact speeds now can't you? Squire if there is something wrong then it should be trivial to post a film showing it.

Hooligan

Staga · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2002, 10:28:09 PM »

Look that another thread, I did post something to there.
Also if you really want to whine then maybe This thread could be good.
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"Here is an example of a bluntly overmodeled Luftwaffe aircraft. This is your chance to show how unbiased you really are and press for realism by asking for it to be fixed.

The silence is getting louder in here."

Yep; I did post scanned pic from Francis K. Mason's book "The Hawker Hurricane, An Illustrated History (edition 2001) I ordered from Crecy publishing.

BTW Karnak are you really thinking 110C is "bluntly overmodelled" and if yes could you tell which part?

Squire · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2002, 10:53:57 PM »

Well, Urchin, it looks to me more like 300 without boost, and 310 with boost.

Have a look.

That it can slightly outpace a SpitfireI is also an indicator that its too fast at sea level.

The film shows an unboosted speed first, then boost on and you see a 10mph increase, to 310 (thats what it looks like to me), the marker is clearly over the 300 line.

Btw what brought this on was fighting some 110s in the CT, and being unable to close them at sea level, even after an extended chase. Thats fine for a Hurricane, not a Spitfire. I couldnt find any source that gave the 110C-4 a faster max speed than 349.

Squire · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2002, 10:58:36 PM »

Is there a trick to uploading films?

I didnt know about the external film view that shows exact speeds, I will have another look.

Urchin · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2002, 11:22:09 PM »

The speeds I posted are from using AH film. It shows you your exact altitude (in feet) and your exact speed (in miles per hour). Therefore, I am quite sure the speeds I listed above are correct.

As far as the Bf110 outpacing the Spitfire I at sea level in real life, I don't know. I've never seen any comparison between the two.

But I do know that the speed in the game matches the speed on the charts in AH help. You may want to ask around and/or look for data to back up your theory that the Spitfire I was faster than the Bf110C4 at sea level.

Staga · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2002, 11:34:17 PM »

Yep, I got 289mph @22feet without wep.

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The silence is getting louder in here.

It sure is.

Squire · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2002, 11:38:43 PM »

Staga gives some info in the other thread re: the engines on the AH 110C-4. Perhaps this is why it seems faster than some other 110Cs that I have info on. I will have to do some more looking.

Certainly the 110C-3s and earlier C-4s were indeed closer to 290 max at sea level, if his info is correct, so I feel somewhat vindicated in bringing it up as a topic.