Bush knew of Hijack threat before it happened

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Udie
What year did OBL declare "war" on america

Roughly 1992, when our troops were not removed from SA after the Gulf War...seems the Clinton admin. was asleep at the wheel  (sorry banana!  )

[Wanker]

That's a very tired and worn out Republiclown response, Rip. Let me re-phrase my statement then. If it were Gore in the white house on Sept. 11, and you found out this morning that he was given ample warning of some sort of attack, what do you think the response would be on this board by all the local yokels?

Clinton is a non-issue, since he had already completed his 2nd term in office.

[Wanker]

You sure are painting with a wide brush there banana.

Perhaps, but if the shoes fits....I can't remember the last time any of you conservatives ever admitting that Bush was not less than perfect. While on the contrary, many of us moderates were openly criticizing Clinton for his sexual hi-jinks while in the white house.

When are you guys going to take the blinders off and realize that Bush is human, and could have possibly missed a key warning from the FBI?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by banana


Perhaps, but if the shoes fits....I can't remember the last time any of you conservatives ever admitting that Bush was not less than perfect.

I've stated many times that I held my nose going to the polls, but I must admit, his performance thus far is almost flawless...almost..I didn't expect  this performance from him and what he has done so far...Now, I am far from a Party supporter for Bush, I supported Reagan more than I do Bush.  But I'm sort of weird...I voted for a Democratic senator from this state (though I'm already regretting that decision now.)

[hblair]

Originally posted by banana
If this would've happened when Clinton was President, you guys would've been all besides yourself with rightous indignation about how he was asleep at the wheel, and that it was another example of the Liberals taking the country down the tubes.

Yet, when this happens with Bush in the White House, you just wave it away with an "oh well, what can you do?"

As C3PO says, "How typical".

Good point, and you're probably right. I am conservative but I try not to have double standards. The game of national politics is so gay it makes me sick. Elected officials conduct investigations with the sole intention of ruining the other party.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by banana
Perhaps, but if the shoes fits.I can't remember the last time any of you conservatives ever admitting that Bush was not less than perfect. While on the contrary, many of us moderates were openly criticizing Clinton for his sexual hi-jinks while in the white house.

When are you guys going to take the blinders off and realize that Bush is human, and could have possibly missed a key warning from the FBI?

Lol, that's my point. The shoe doesn't fit, because it's not only "You conservatives" that posted in this thread. You want to have a fence humping contest? I bet I get more splinters.

You seem to hate partisan politics, but no-one mentioned any partisanism until you came in. As I implied in my first post, my opinion was formed by interest and experience in Intel. Not someone's idea of what makes a good president.

-Sikboy

[OZkansas]

Let's see, when was the first bombing of the WTC?  1993?  Didn't Clinton send a few missiles in the direction of OBL and just miss?  I wonder why Clinton stopped chasing OBL during this time period?  Was it due to lack of inteligence, or lack of leadership?  Maybe someone we know was just practicing politicing and not governing?

[miko2d]

banana,

 You are quite wrong. Threre are plenty of republicans willing to evaluate president objectively or at least not on thebasis of his party. The fact that consierable proportion of population changes their mind - so that a different party get presidency or congress/senate magority may differ from presidency proves that.

 New York City is one of the most democratic areas in the country and we have a second republican mayor.
 NY State always votes democrat for presindency but our Governor is republican.

 Plenty of republicans on this board supported Clinton and even suggested that Gore would probably have done as good job if elected. Many admit that Clinton was a very capable politician and think nothing of his sexual escapades - most capable people in histoty were sexually overactive.
 His lying under oath was a crime and it bothered many democrats as well as republicans.
 I am not even talking about people who support republicans for their economic policies while abhorring their religion-linked social policies.

 You with your groundless accusation that party affiliation determines personlaity proves only one thing to me - that you do not believe in obgectivity of others because you cannot be objective yourself.

 miko

[batdog]

Hummmm... how much did Bill slash the intel community?


xBAT

[Wanker]

But I'm sort of weird...I voted for a Democratic senator from this state (though I'm already regretting that decision now.)

Well at least you don't have a wrestler as a Governor!

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by banana


Well at least you don't have a wrestler as a Governor!

So, did Jesse get voted in for another term or is he still doing his first?  Didn't you guys get a State tax rebate while he was in office?

[Ripsnort]

Flashback: July 26th ,2001

(CBS)July 26th ,2001
 Fishing rod in hand, Attorney
                        General John Ashcroft left on a weekend
                        trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard
                        a chartered government jet, reports CBS
                        News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

                        In response to inquiries from CBS News
                        over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively
                        by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial
                        airlines, the Justice Department cited what
                        it called a ?threat assessment? by the FBI,
                        and said Ashcroft has been advised to
                        travel only by private jet for the remainder of
                        his term.

                        ?There was a threat assessment and there
                        are guidelines. He is acting under the
                        guidelines,? an FBI spokesman said.
                        Neither the FBI nor the Justice
                        Department, however, would identify what
  the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

  A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against
  any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California,
  seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

  ?I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose
  responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI.
  And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay
  within for those purposes,? Ashcroft said.

  Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the
  attorney general replied, ?Frankly, I don't. That's the answer.?

  Earlier this week, the Justice Department leased a NASA-owned G-3
  Gulfstream for a 6-day trip to Western states. Such aircraft cost the
  government more than $1,600 an hour to fly. When asked whether Ashcroft
  was paying for any portion of the trips devoted to personal business, a
  Justice Department spokeswoman declined to respond.

  All other Bush Cabinet appointees, with the exception of Interior and Energy
  with remote sites to oversee, fly commercial airliners. Janet Reno, Ashcroft's
  predecessor as attorney general, also routinely flew commercial. The
  secretaries of State and Defense traditionally travel with extra security on
  military planes.

  The Justice Department insists that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly
  leased aircraft. That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's FBI security
  detail. The FBI had no further comment.

[Wanker]

You are quite wrong. Threre are plenty of republicans willing to evaluate president objectively or at least not on thebasis of his party. The fact that consierable proportion of population changes their mind - so that a different party get presidency or congress/senate magority may differ from presidency proves that.

Miko, I think I'm quite right, insofar as the majority of posters on the OT forum. With a few exceptions(You, Sikboy, even Ripsnort on occasion), most of the posters on this OT forum are so rock-ribbed in their Republiclownism that they can't even begin to be objective.  Part of the reason I don't even try to debate in here anymore is that nobody will debate the issues. Instead,  they just bring out the "Monica" card and use that over and over.

I was not reffering to the people of NY state, I was referring to the people on this OT forum. My own state of Minnesota, while mostly Liberally minded, is indeed politically flexible that we often have a mix of Senators and Governors from both parties. Hell, we even voted in Ventura(much to our chagrin now)!

[Masherbrum]

Gore can grow his beard as long as Dan hagerty's.  Bottom line, he wasn't in the Oval office and he couldn't win his own state.  Gun Issue I believe (surprise).    

Bottom Line:  The CIA and FBI worked against each other prior to the events that lead up to the attack on the WTC.  I'm sure they still do.   It wouldn't have mattered who in the hell was in office, there was no way of preventing this attack at all.  Say what you want, we've pissed off too many nations.  

I love this country with all of my heart but that last statement is true.  I'm pissed that innocent people took the blame for our government.

RIP

Masher

[Wanker]

Didn't you guys get a State tax rebate while he was in office?

Yep, we got two of them in the last two years. And now, with a 2.4(or something ongodly high) Billion dollar deficit this year, the legislature had to wipe out the state's cash reserve and the tobacco settlement money to keep the ink in the black.

But Governor Ventura still claims that the tax rebate had nothing to do with the huge deficit. Yeah, right.

Oh well, at least I got enough money back to buy myself a new  lawn mower and a snow blower out of the deal. But was it worth it to put the state into dire financial straights? I don't think so.

As far as Jesse getting a second term...he hasn't declared whether or not he is running for re-election.

Right now, Minnesota has a Republiclown controlled house, a Democratic controlled Senate, and a Reform party controlled Executive branch.

Can you say gridlock? I knew you could!