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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2002, 01:07:38 AM »
Wow nath... you really are amazing.

You wield the kind of booksmarts mixed with a complete absence of real experience that simply wreaks of immaturity.  Oh well... after a bit of college its only going to get worse.

My advice to you is to get a PhD in History and find a nice school to teach at.  That way, you'll never have to leave the environment where you can just sit back and talk about how badly everyone else did things and how differently you would have done it had you actually done anything.

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2002, 01:14:18 AM »
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Nath sure gives that thesaurus of his a nice workout......


I apologize in advance if I'm going to shatter your envy/inferiority complex-inspired falsification of me, but I don't use a thesaurus when I post.
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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2002, 01:14:45 AM »
BTW... Saurdaukar, I saw it yesterday and think you pretty much hit it on the head.

...with one ommision:

Yoda kicks ass.

I can't wait to get the DVD and watch that scene in super slow motion.

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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2002, 01:15:29 AM »
i dont like sand. its coarse and rough, not like you.

rofl jesus who writes this toejam? yes the graphics were cool but the plot was so bad so who cares? also i enjoyed the darth maul vs qui-gon/obi-wan fight at end of phantom menace much more than the light sabre fight at the end of this one, though i did enjoy the scene in the colusseum when the jedi came to the rescue. and the yoda scene was pretty cool :) but i personally think yoda lost something going to animation from the puppet though they could never have done that fight scene with the puppet....

overall empire strikes back is still the best.



oh but one other thing. natalie portman is so diddlying hot. sooooo mcuh hotter than leia. that white suit in the end oh my god. she much have the most perfect abs in existance, nice and firm but without being all nasty and mannish. and she hard rock hard nips. and a beautiful smile. and she goes to harvard too. wish i was anakin ;)

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« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2002, 01:36:42 AM »
deja, deja, dejawho...

Who are you, to tell me I have no real life experience with music? You do not know me!!! I actually attend as many performances at Carnegie Hall/Avery Fisher Hall/etc etc as I can... but I don't expect you to believe me.
I also have a musically rich background in my family... my grandfather was a Vaudeville headliner (he played something like 12 instruments perfectly), and my grandmother was in the follies.
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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2002, 03:24:36 AM »
LOL! You say it so much better than I could nath.  I leave you to your self-defeat.

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« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2002, 08:10:32 AM »
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Exit:  Music
Re-Enter:  Movie

--The Good-- Casting was well done, Anakin was well casted, Dooku was well casted, Mace Windu didnt disapoint.  Effects, who can argue with the land battle scenes in the last hour?  Yoda... what else has to be said be said.  Excellent sound, lightsabers sound like they have a personally all to themselves, music... John Williams, come on.  Only 30 seconds of Jar Jar Binks dialogue.
--The Bad-- Dialogue... way... way... way too much.  Not all of it "cheesy" but 90% of it unnecessary.  "Anikan, Im going to the bathroom now."  "Are you going to wipe?"  "Yes Im going to wipe."  "...Im going now."  "Im wiping."  "Ok, Im done going to the bathroom."  "Good, I am glad you are done going to the bathroom."  (No this is not an actualy exchange, but gives you an idea of the absurdity of some of the conversation.)  Some of the scenes between Anakin and Padme were borderline embarressing, poorly acted, and well.. just bad.  Anakin... while well cast, is not going to get an emmy.  Some good scenes, some bad scenes... again, too much dialogue that ruined them.  
--The Ugly--  Some of the characters... they actually were ugly.  Who the hell is Dex?  (Big weird thing from the bar talking with Obi Wan.)  Obi Wan is a hack... an amature Jedi - gets his bellybutton kicked in in every movie so far.  Jengo Fett... the only actor that performed worse than his lackluster attempt was his son Boba Fett... again, pointless lines and absolutely NO personality on both counts.  Oh.. and those centipede looking things that try to kill Padme... now those are ugly.

--The Verdict--  Is is Star Wars?  Yes.  Is it better than Episode I?  By 12 parsecs.  Is it as good as the original?  No.  Good music, good action sequences.  Everything is starting to tie in together (We see plans for the Death Star, Clone Troopers look like Storm Troopers, and the Troop Transports look like smaller Imperial Star Destroyers.)  But the new movies are lacking what the originals had... style.  The technology is getting in the way of a good story.  The scene where Anikan flips out and goes ninja on the sand people was unnecessary.  The "feel" of the original could have been maintained by showing his face... very angry... and the sound of a lightsaber ignighting, maybe a blue hue... and thats it.  Next scene.  People arent able to form their own theories with the new ones... that was the draw to the old ones... what happened, who was who, when did this occur, what was meant by this?  The new movies answer all of these questions for us... there is nothing except a "good movie" there is no debate and analysis of events afterwards.

Example:  

2 Best lines/scenes from Original Trilogy

1.  The Empire Strikes Back:  Darth Vader - "Far too easy..." (Flips on switch for carbon freeze)
2.  A New Hope:  Obi Wan Kenobi - "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."  (Consequently gets his head removed)

2 Best lines/scenes from New Trilogy
::sound of wind... somewhere a pin drops::
No seriously...

There arent any... they are all saturated with dialogue and the is no "mystery" to what is being done or said... "Far too easy" in new trilogy speak is "Fighting Luke is too easy, now that he is down in the carbon freeze vent, I am going to use my force powers to flip the switch 20 feet away."  See the problem?  IMHO, it is becoming less Star Wars and more Star Trek... strage technologies... visual effects just for the sake of visual effects.. bland action, and bad dialogue.

If I could pick one scene from Episode II that I thought had the feel of the original - and youll know it when you see it - it is when Anikan and Padme are on Tatooine and Anikan brings his mother home wraped in a cloth.  Camera closes up on his face - not a word is spoke, and you know he's pissed... then camera shows Padme coming out of little desert hut with simple blue sky and yellow sand.  NO DIALOGUE - emotion is imagined by the audience, not explained by the movie - like a good book.

Wow... I got into that huh?  Im done, carry on.


Best lines:

ANH: Vader - When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.

 ESB: Vader - You are beaten. It is useless to resist. Don't let yourself be destroyed as Obi-Wan did.

ROTJ: The Emperor - Your fleet has lost. And your friends on the Endor moon will not survive. There is no escape, my young apprentice. The Alliance will die...as will your friends. Good. I can feel your anger. I am defenseless.  Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

TPM: Maul -  At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge.

AOTC: Obi-wan - One day you'll be the death of me

The thing I try to remember is  Starwars - A New Hope  itself is a fairly weak film. The characters a one dimensional at best, and it is a pretty basic A to B story. What saves it is the efforts of ILM, and a remarkable amount of pure joy that the film manages to produce. It does have a stirring soundtrack, and memorable visuals. However to critise the scripts of the sequals is to remember classic whines errr lines like: But I was going into Toshi Station to pick up some power converters... . I was seven when I saw Starwars, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't really worried about scripting etc. So it's amazing how fond of so-so lines you can get in 25(?) yrs.

  The Starwars saga IMO is only made great by The Empire Strikes Back. This is where the storyline gets it's heart and soul. The characters are fleshed out, and given real depth. It is an excellent story only enhanced by ILM's visuals. I place sole blame on this on Irvin Kershner's direction ,  Leigh Brackets and Lawrence Kasdan's rewrite of Lucas's script. Only in this film could a green muppet become an Icon of late 20th century film (no not kermit). If it was left to ROTJ, a few great scenes at the end, mixed with alot of dwarfs in Poo Bear suits doesn't do much to stir the imagination.

So I'm not sure how or what the feel of starwars is, I just know I like it :D
And just like TPM grew on me after time and a few viewings of the DVD , I'm sure the parts of AOTC that didn't quite gel, perhaps will too after a few more viewing (on Disc).

As Yoda said in Empire - No! No different! Only different in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned.

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« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2002, 09:21:46 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2002, 09:50:50 AM »
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i dont like sand. its coarse and rough, not like you.

rofl jesus who writes this toejam?



Hummmmmmmm I think the movie does THIS quite right, strange as it may sound.

Yes, I mean it. I think that Anakin's words to Padme (most of them almost embarrasing to hear because they are SO...well...old-fashioned, extremely romantic ,but clumsy to the point to be ridiculous :D) are written this way ON PURPOSE.

See, Anakin is a boy who's been under Jedi instruction since he was 9, he has never had to give steps with a girl, and we have also to think that his feelings towards Padme start from the point they were left when he was a simple kid.....so is quite understandable that he behaves like a foolish 13-year-old in-love chap who writtes stupid love letters, and is clumsy to the extreme than instead of being romantic, he is almost embarrasing. Anakin may be 19, and one of the most powerful jedis -potentially- but in the romantic arena....well...he's worse than an 13 year old amateur ;)

I think that the script describes this perfect...it agrees with the situation and the personality of anakin...he's still a kid in many regards, and this is one of them.

It would've been quite cool to see him being an expert with Padme...but quite frankly, I think that Anakin's clumsy approach to PAdmé is more than understandable...it was TO BE EXPECTED ;)


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yes the graphics were cool but the plot was so bad so who cares?


Personally I think the plot is REALLY interesting, and the story is immersive. Maybe too much politics for the usually "simple" processes in the previous Star Wars movies, but as a politic intrigue I feel that EpII tells a quite good story.

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also i enjoyed the darth maul vs qui-gon/obi-wan fight at end of phantom menace much more than the light sabre fight at the end of this one, though i did enjoy the scene in the colusseum when the jedi came to the rescue.


EpI light sabre fight was simply awesome, and the best thing, by far, of the whole movie.

I also think this movie's is ....somehow...lacking. One has to admit, tho, that to see Anakin fighting with two lightsabres was simply outstanding, and is a scene I can't wait to see again.

I think that the actor playing anakin has lots of skill with the sword, and Cristopher Lee also was great with it (what did you know...he's an old man but he has got a nice grasp of how to fight!). I wish the combat had been longer between Anakin and Dooku, but is not bad as it was...and anyway...then came Yoda :D

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and the yoda scene was pretty cool :) but i personally think yoda lost something going to animation from the puppet though they could never have done that fight scene with the puppet....


Yoda's facial expressions are simply OUTSTANDING, and I don't find anything missing in him, to be true.

THe fight...well...no words :).


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overall empire strikes back is still the best.



NOthing will beat ESB, ever ;)



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oh but one other thing. natalie portman is so diddlying hot. sooooo mcuh hotter than leia. that white suit in the end oh my god. she much have the most perfect abs in existance, nice and firm but without being all nasty and mannish. and she hard rock hard nips. and a beautiful smile. and she goes to harvard too. wish i was anakin ;)



I wish I was han...why? you will ask?...

well, when he is 23, Anakin is going to have his neck broken and from then onwards he'll live forever in a walking iron lung...and his contact with Padme (or any other woman, for that matter) will be equal to NIL.

I'd rather have Leia for a long time than Padme for just 3 years or so...but I admit, that Natalie Portman is REALLY hot, yeah :D

heheheheheheehehehehehehehehe hehe


Overall I have to say that I liked the movie, and not just because the last hour. I liked it all...except some big TOPICS and scenes wich could have been played in a different way for a similar effect...


for instance, when Anakin's mother dies...damnit, the guy has just come after 10 years and he arrives JUST IN TIME to see her alive for barely 60 seconds before she dies in his arms...is so TYPICAL...so...well...topical .

I say, why not make Anakin find his mother in bad shape, but alive, then when he tries to get her out of the zone, a tuskan raider opens fire on them and kills her mother. That way anakin's rage would be explained and his sadness later for not being able to save her mother would be even more understandable...

not to mention that this is NOT a topical scene like the one in the movie...

oh well...nothing is perfect and this movie isn't either...but is very enjoyable anyway.
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« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2002, 09:51:18 AM »
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what a facinating thread.
Its like Naths dialog was written by George Lucas......


Heh!

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« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2002, 09:10:40 PM »
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LOL! You say it so much better than I could nath.  I leave you to your self-defeat.

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omg your posting skills are so bad... what is this? The 100th time you've used this same type of retort against me? yawn.
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« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2002, 09:13:16 PM »
Just got back from the movie.
I dont see what the problem people have with it is.  I think Lucas did it right and the guy that played anakin did well....
Only thing I would change is the title...
how about
Crisis of the Republic
Or
Republic in Crisis
or
Shadows in the Force
or
Dawn of Empire
or
any number of better names then attack of the clones.
Its not even really what the movie is about.

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« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2002, 10:41:59 AM »
i think the movie is great. I watched EP 5 at home again, now
i have a complete different view on Vader, i think Georg done
a great job. To bad EP 3 will come 2005 :/ i can't wait !
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« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2002, 01:07:48 PM »
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To bad EP 3 will come 2005 :/ i can't wait !


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« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2002, 03:29:10 PM »
Thats no moon. It's a space station.

No movie quote will ever come close to that one.

(Except maybe one. If you have seen True Romance you know which one I mean. But then again it's more of a scene or a monolouge than a quote... its when the dad explains to the mob guys about why Sicilians are brown eyed)