Perk the LA7

[GRUNHERZ]

LA7 suck, only fast. LA7 pilot is idiot!  No perk!

[Innominate]

http://www.innomi.com/planes.php

[m0m0yama]

urgh
I see, well I was napping... yes... maybe...

[Innominate]

Looking at the stats, I can only draw one conclusion...
PERK THE CHUTE!

(I'd still like to see the p51d and la7 at 2-3 perks)

Am I wrong in my belief that the spit14 and the p-51d were both put into service at roughly the same time?

[Wilbus]

Wil, man the Lagg doesnt even have an effective wep at that altitude. And, it is a slug up there. My squad looks at 20k+ la7's as snacks in the Jug. The TA is a premeir plane at those alt's and higher. Its no comparison. Its total BS IMO. The Lagg is awesome at low altitude, where its supposed to be, and likely where 99.9% of the fights you and I meet them at. The TA is not the jewel you would like it to be at low alt's, however I doubt it is bad as I have have gathered. And...to counter your statement, the TA has an extremely effective WEP, that outlast most others on other AC. Even if one found himself in a duel at 20k+ with an LA7 and him in a TA, you hold all the cards. Turn, speed, climb... This is the fallacy behind minus's statement. (I think?? its hard to tell what he is saying alot of times)

Ammo, ya beat your self up now. First you post the charts in here then you say LA7 hardly has any wep at 20k anyway.

LA7 HAS NO WEP at 20k WHAT SO EVER BUT it's climb speed Without Wep is quite much better then a TA152's climb speed Without wep at the same alt, ONLY if the TA152 has got Wep left it can outclimb the LA7 at 20k, just look at the charts YOU posted.

Ta152 has got the same amount of wep as all LW planes (except very early 1940 planes) in the game, that is 10 minutes. The Jumo Engine in AH takes longer to cool down though.
The REAL LIFE engine could be run for 10 minutes, with pauses of 5 minutes, run 10 minutes, pause 5 etc UNTIL the Water Methanol injection was out so here some of the LW planes lose an advantage but that's not what this is about. Nor is this about the LA7's high alt abaility, becasue as you've said, it does suck up there, not to mention how fun those planes are to fight at 30k (yes I have seen one up there).

Have I said I want the TA152 to be a Jewel at low alts? Didn't think so, definatly not anywhere the past year have I said that. The TA152 deck speed (H modell) we have is about the same as in AH as it should be, not untill over 25k does it really shine and yup there spits still outclimb and outturn them so why is the TA152 Perked? Don't give me any crap about production numbers please.
One more thing, the TA152, with Wep and 25% fuel does 460mph (exactly after 10 minutes test) at 41.000 feet, this is 12mph too slow.
At 31.000 feet it should do around a 460mph acodring to the AH charts and it does (461Mph). AH charts show it alot slower at 41k then it is in AH but even 460 is too slow.

[Tilt]

I must fly a different La 7 to the ones that can out turn and out fight stuff at 20K.

If I pull an ACM kill (rather than just a bounce)in the La 7  (against Spits, NIK2's, 109's, 51's Ki's, 38's, Corsair's, cats)at any thing over 15k then I usually think I have done rather well..... (depending upon the skill shown by my opponent).

The La7 can climb well, it can reach fast speeds at higher alts.

But its power/wing/weight ratio is all for low alt stuff...... it drains e thru manouvers at a rate hardly matched by any other fighter (bar the La 5FN)and its only its power/weight ratio which allows it to accelarate out of manouvers lower down.

I can appreciate that it is infuriating to "win" the encounter thru superior ACM only to have the opponent run away as soon as you have the upper hand........ la 7's do do this ..........its what they are good at..so are 51's,Typhoons.

Its lethality range does seem poor...... I am not sure whether this is myth, actual or just my bad marksman ship (which has always been bad) if actual I wonder where the idea of the Shvak having a shorter range came from.......

I do not see the La7 unbalancing the arena.......... either interms of numbers, effectiveness or its influence on the land grab......

Tilt

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Wilbus


Ammo, ya beat your self up now. First you post the charts in here then you say LA7 hardly has any wep at 20k anyway.

LA7 HAS NO WEP at 20k WHAT SO EVER BUT it's climb speed Without Wep is quite much better then a TA152's climb speed Without wep at the same alt, ONLY if the TA152 has got Wep left it can outclimb the LA7 at 20k, just look at the charts YOU posted.

Ta152 has got the same amount of wep as all LW planes (except very early 1940 planes) in the game, that is 10 minutes. The Jumo Engine in AH takes longer to cool down though.
The REAL LIFE engine could be run for 10 minutes, with pauses of 5 minutes, run 10 minutes, pause 5 etc UNTIL the Water Methanol injection was out so here some of the LW planes lose an advantage but that's not what this is about. Nor is this about the LA7's high alt abaility, becasue as you've said, it does suck up there, not to mention how fun those planes are to fight at 30k (yes I have seen one up there).

Have I said I want the TA152 to be a Jewel at low alts? Didn't think so, definatly not anywhere the past year have I said that. The TA152 deck speed (H modell) we have is about the same as in AH as it should be, not untill over 25k does it really shine and yup there spits still outclimb and outturn them so why is the TA152 Perked? Don't give me any crap about production numbers please.
One more thing, the TA152, with Wep and 25% fuel does 460mph (exactly after 10 minutes test) at 41.000 feet, this is 12mph too slow.
At 31.000 feet it should do around a 460mph acodring to the AH charts and it does (461Mph). AH charts show it alot slower at 41k then it is in AH but even 460 is too slow.

Back up there bud-- My refering to the TA 152 was to contredict  Minus's post.  You alluded to that comparison. I thought this post was about the LA=7, and my original post was to contridict minus's false post.  I am not contredicting myself on anything, the fact is if you are in a LA-7 at any alt and push "p" on your keyboard, then you hear the apparent increase in power, whereas according to the charts, in the LA-7 the WEP is ineffective. I hope you understand my point. I could care less about a campaign to unperk the TA, or whatever  else LW enthusiasts want with it. Again, I was refering to Minus's post. Please don't argue for the sake of it.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by -ammo-
in a LA-7 at any alt and push "p" on your keyboard, then you hear the apparent increase in power,

I used to find this confusing........ if you watch the manifold pressure the pressing of p does nothing above 8500 ft. However you have increased engine revs from 2400 to 2500 hence more noise(and more engine heat). This is as it should be.

Whats is missing is the fact that the super charger speed changes at approximately 8500 ft (1st stage) and 14500ft (2nd stage). But then AH does not (and need not) model sounds etc for super chargers that are not WEP biasing.

Tilt

[MANDOBLE]

La7 is only excelent below 10k, ok, and what? If you find one above you at any alt you are in serious problems, if you find one coalt and above 10k, if needed, the La7 will set the fight lower and then you will be in serious problems too. If you find one lower than you, he will dive till below 5k and you will be in serious problems again, and so on. Being so uber at low alts is much more important than being uber at hi alts, unless you are intercepting stratobuffs.

[minus]

ammo  if something false then is it you !

LA7 outurn and out climb and out E perform Ta152 and you cant change this , yes if la7 climb on the other side of map like ta152 then yes  , Ta 152 climb beter but if neer you got seroius problem , nothing hold E like La7

before you try post craps about False stuf first try the Ta152 to fly vs any medium or decent stick in la7  , then you will anderstud

 !punt !

i not play anymore AH but stil suport and pay my acount

waiting for  something  to change

[Wilbus]

Not arguing for the sake of it, trying to make you understand what the TA152 is and what the LA7 is since you so much wanna compare these two. Fact is, push P in any plane at ANY alt and you'll hear a increase in the engine, doens't matter if it gives you more power or not so that's just a bad thing to bring in.

Like I said before, LA7 still outclimb s ALOT of things at 20k as long as those things don't use WEP, if those other planes USE Wep the LA7 can still keep up with them.

[RatPenat]

La7 ammo near F4U-C ammo (ok 1 less cannon, but he still killing with 1 ping at wings), range near same F4U-C range (without DT's). Out run, out climb, out turn a F4U-C. Better armour than 99% planes (YES IT'S TRUE, russian wood really efficient)

Why is not perked if it's THE BETTER PLANE under 15k (who said 10k, under 10k is untouchable, since 15k still being a killing machine)?

[Wilbus]

Well, guns about as effective as F4u C yes but 'only' half the ammo (even a bit less then half)

[Tilt]

Originally posted by minus
LA7 outurn and out climb and out E perform Ta152



nothing hold E like La7

Conversely  I would say nothing looses e like an LA 7! with the proviso that this is for consideration whilst under manouver at higher alts.

I cannot comment about the Ta152...i hardly ever fly it but I would have  to dis agree with any notion that the LA7 is e efficient during manouver at higher altitudes.(which is where the Ta152 "should" excel)

just try flat turning with other AC at 16,17,18,19,20K+ when both start at the same speed and alt. (get them to pull identical G)

You will soon see that the LA 7 is decelerating faster than the other..........

Now  try looping at those altitudes with the same start speeds........  again match the G at the bottom......  unless you can get the loops into the La 7's low alt power band it will again fall behind.

Any manouver out of the plain of thrust on an La7 is very expensive in e . The only efficient manouver should be roll (little wings) and I must say I do not see roll effecting any of AH's AC (with respect to e loss) greatly.

With respect to turn rate it can pull very tight high speed turns it certainly is a bird for high speed ACM.......... problem is that at higher alts it gets no more than 2 of these types of manouvers before its higher e loss (assuming the opponent has gone thru equal turns) has tipped the balance against it.


Tilt

[SKurj]

One thing I don't get....

If a plane is only uber low it shouldn't be perked....

lets look at Ta152... its only uber high...

La7 at 5k is the equivalent of the Ta152 at 30k...

just a thought +)

I feel the game needs more cheap perk rides, and the La7 is a prime candidate.   What other russian plane would be a perk?  Yak3? with its ammo load lol...  May as well give the VVS a perk ride, a 5-10 perk La7.


SKurj