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Offline DES

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2001, 08:34:00 PM »
Maybe they should perk everything then skilless dweebs like myself won't waste our money and time playing since we won't have the points to fly.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2001, 08:44:00 PM »
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Maybe they should perk everything then skilless dweebs like myself won't waste our money and time playing since we won't have the points to fly.
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Toad, we have a nominee. Succinct and searing, and dead-on.

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2001, 09:04:00 PM »
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Climb: The -4 Corsair was a remarkable climber despite its size and weight. It could out-climb the Mustang by nearly 800 fpm.
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Wow... you mean it outclimbed what was considered one of the poorest climbers in 1944 by whole 800 fpm ? !!! Wow !!

Hehehe, premise of comparison is BS. Comparison is BS. Compare it to P51H and then let's talk.

So, who will be the first to say "unperk F4U-4 and perk Spit 9 !!!" ?

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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2001, 09:32:00 PM »
Well since the F4u1c was perked ONLY becuase it was flooding the MA why not perk the spits, niki, and P51's? i see those ALL the time. i see mabye  a F4u here and there but i see those 3 about 98% of the time.. MABYE im just not in a lucky spot and all i see are those planes but heck since F4u1c is perked PERK THE SPIT(and friends)  :cool:

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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2001, 10:19:00 PM »
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Kieren:  They want to keep perking the 5 most popular planes until the only unperked plane is their favorite and everybody flies only that.  It's about variety don't you see?     :o

if this is a reply to my post...which i think it is. check my stats...i fly the p51D amost exclusively. i would like to see it perked. even i fall into the "who care's if i die...its not a perk plane" garble sometimes. i just feel it would add maybe a little extra strategy to the game. and make it a lot more enjoyable.

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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2001, 06:13:00 AM »
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So, who will be the first to say "unperk F4U-4 and perk Spit 9 !!!" ?

 

Hehe, believe me, I'm waiting on that, too.

What is it about us that we have to wring every bit of fun out of our entertainment by examining and quantifying it to the extreme? "I would be having fun, but I am seeing 6.3% more 190's than I think I should... sigh... if only there were 6.3% less 190's..."

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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2001, 07:10:00 AM »
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Originally posted by fd ski:
So, who will be the first to say "unperk F4U-4 and perk Spit 9 !!!" ?

Me   :D

IMO, Ta152 and F4U4 are overprized while a-ping-andyouarehistory-hispanomonster machines are unperked.

About perking P51D, G10 and D9. I have no much personal experience with P51, but in the case of D9, you better pick up one and experience yourself how "easy" is to get kills with it. G10 has a terrible control at hi speeds and is anything but a turner, perking it? Perhaps due its climbrate, but very cheap perk.

In the case of the Arado, you need almost 5 Arados to do a damage equivalent to a single Lancaster. You invert 300 perks to do a 14000lb damage with Arados at two quadrants range, while a single Lanc will do it at the other side of the map flying at 30k if necessary. Arado is, IMO, also overpriced.

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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2001, 07:18:00 AM »
Ok just to set you all back on the track of my post:

this is to find out why the F4u4 is so high in price NOT a question of whether the perk system is working.
For me personally the perk system seems to do exactly what its intended to do.I dont go flying the best planes in the game all the time because they cost too much.
I absolutely hated the f4uc for killing me in ACM fights where anyother plane wouldnt get the kill, as in desperate sprays at 800-1.1k where 1 rnd would hit like a freight train! but i digress, what i was doing by questioning their values in perk costs was trying to equate their cost to their frequence of use in the MA.

I doubt theres anyone who could argue that the F4uc being perked didnt work and rid us of the F4uc only arena( ;)).BUT as an exponent of it getting perked even im willing to admit it could probably come down in price some/see more use before it becomes a problem again in terms of overuse (or if we gonna get all pedantic 'prolific' AKD  :p)

What im hinting at is, ok, so the F4u4 is indeed a great fighter but have any of you got sick of it? been killed by it more times than you care to recall? do you see nothing but them flying around? I sure dont feel this about it, in fact ive never fought one i dont think.

Same for most perk rides really, I think the costs could be looked into a little more closely and adjusted so we see a little more of these aircraft, not too much but a little more.
after all like others have complained of here ie too many la7s/niks/spits/p51ds around, could to some extent be 'eased' if a few more of the people who fly these models could afford a 'resonably' costed perk ride now and then.

couldnt we reduce all costs for 1 tour to test the theory? see if we can find that perfect price/use value?

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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2001, 07:44:00 AM »
hazed, IMO, F4U4 is perked only by its performance, being much better in every aspect than F4U1A/D. Unperking f4U4 will imply all the F4U1D/A pilots switching to F4U4, as well as a good portion of P47 and P51 pilots, and probably, eventual 1905/8 pilots too.

Said that, IMO, F4U1C is far more dangerous than F4U4 (IMO F4U1C is too cheap), so, F4U4 should be as expensive or even cheaper than the C version. Also, IMO, F4U1C or F4U4 are both much more dangerous in our actual MA than Ta152H.

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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2001, 08:30:00 AM »
Adjust perk value of current perk planes- sure.

Perk any pre-1944 planes? Silliness.

Mandoble, I just can't understand how you can suggest nothing LW be perked, yet call for perks on much lesser performing aircraft. Loyalty is cool, but come on...

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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2001, 09:39:00 AM »
Kieran, believe me, I'm not married with LW. P38, P47 and F6F are some non LW planes I like and fly.
My point is that G10/D9/Ta152H are not very efficient (measuring eficiency in kills per time) planes for the kind of arena we have. Of course, in a different MA environment more similar to an european theater, D9, G10 and P51 should be expensive perkies.

In the other hand, when you talk about "much lesser performing aircraft", what are you referring to? diving? substained climb? zoom climb? E retention? turning performance? Level speed? Acceleration? weapons? range? hi speed control? lo speed handling?
For our furball-oriented arena, performance is not as simple as pure top speed.

in the case of F4U4, it excels in all the categories except range and weapons. In the case of SpitIX it excels in all the categories except range and top level speed below 20k.

In relation with LW planes, IMO, 190A5 and 109G2 are more efficient planes for this arena than 190D9 and 109G10 respectively.

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2001, 09:46:00 AM »
I say, if a current or future plane has
multiple versions, like spits , 51, 47s, 109s, 190s and f4s. let the earliest
model be free and each later model
cost perks to use. each version above the base goes up by 5 or 10  perks.

example, F4U-1 (free), F4U-1d (5), F4U-1c (10), and F4U-4 (15 to 20).  planes that have special preformance gains like 262 would be peked anyway. Tiff would be free and
Temp maybe (20).

I also think the highest(perk) versions like 262  f4u-4 and such, should  have a ENY of 1.

Buffs ENY are also too high, they are not there to kill fighters thier job is to get to a target and drop bombs. as it is right now buff 9 out 10 times get more for killing
1 fighter then the fighter gets for killing
1 buff which is the fighters job. reduce the buffs ENY to 5 or less but raise the OBJ
value, to pay them off for making the target
and dropping thier bombs.

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Originally posted by Kieran:
Adjust perk value of current perk planes- sure.

Perk any pre-1944 planes? Silliness.

Mandoble, I just can't understand how you can suggest nothing LW be perked, yet call for perks on much lesser performing aircraft. Loyalty is cool, but come on...

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2001, 10:03:00 AM »
Top speed is the most predominant factor if you want to live. If you want to furball, you need more of a compromise of characteristics.

This is where you argument breaks down. You are suggesting reducing or eliminating perks on aircraft which, if flown within their design parameters, are unbeatable. If flown in a manner that is favorable to the older, slower aircraft, they lose. I suggest the planes are potentially unbalancing because, should anyone use the strengths of the planes, they completely outclass the opposition.

The argument "the arena is furball only" doesn't really count, because it isn't. I've climbed to kill plenty of 25K+ buffs since I have been back, and I sure wish I was in a Ta when I did.

I can just as easily call for perking the 190D9, because every time I chase one in a Spit IX it can run away at will. I'm upset that, when I choose to fly the 190's game I lose. (Not really, just making the point) This is the scenario that most often happens when I am in an early war plane. Just last night, I was in a Zero when two D9's started taking turns making passes. Did they get me? No. But I had no prayer of hitting them, while eventually one of them would have gotten lucky. They were in control, not me. They dictate the fight.

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: Kieran ]

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2001, 10:11:00 AM »
Many would like to see a P-40, F2, A6M2, KI43, Spit1, Stuka, and Bf109E added to AH at some point, someone please take the time to explain to me how early war A/C such as these could ever hope to survive in the MA without;
  • 1. Rolling Planeset
  • 2. Late war A/C (190D, P-51D, LA7, N1K2)        being perked.
  • 3. An early war planeset ARENA

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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2001, 10:12:00 AM »
I think it's fine as it is.

The balance as it is seems reasonable to me. I'm not that keen on having say 20% of all planes in the air being perk planes.

Up the prices on everything, if anything.

Oh, and for the sods that only play 2-3 hours and therefore have to fly for two whole months before being able to afford a plane:

I'm a poor sod. I can only work 2-3 hours a week. The capitalistic system is biased against me - why am *I* not allowed to own a Ferrari, when the dude who works 80 hour weeks can?

Seriously, it should come down to percentage of your flying time, and in that, of course, comes ENY rating and your own skill.

I like it the way it is.