furballs ok still... they just don't last.

[lazs]

Yep... the furballs are still pretty good when you can find one in AH these days especially around the carriers but.... they are becoming an endangered species.   Wether it is the "well rounded" policy of making (cough) "rank"  tied to bombing and vehicle as well as fighter or the simple fact that knocking down a lean too can ruin  the fight for a dozen or more guys or whatever...  

the furballs have been  targeted for extinction by the joint forces of the Amish, the perk and "strat" whor... guys and attention starved and just plain mean spirited.   Any furball that gets going good is allmost immediatly targeted by a lone buff who then pinpoint drops a couple of bombs on some leantoos and moves on all proud of himself.   End of fun...Of course... if there is nothing to bomb/kill (no strat) then I guess having so many vehicles capable of bombing and or killing buildings is probly the problem more than personality in general.  Certainly we have more people wiling to blow up targets than we have viable targets.

Either we need something for the strat guys to do (some actual realistic strat) or we need to harden/protect some or all of the fields.   Making unavailability of fighters the sole (choke) strat element is starting to chafe.   The action set is getting the short end here and IMO... The strat guys aren't fairing much better.   Even with their seemingly bottomless capacity for boredom they will eventually get tired of killing all the fights.

I watched a "mission" last night... A dozen or so of our guys attacked a near field.  Said field instantly quit sending up fighters anyway so the attackers fought over the one or two guys  stuck in the middle (8 vs 1 at times).   At the same time in another spot some other country was doing the same thing to us.   End result was that there were no usable fields anywhere near any realistic action.
lazs

[TheWobble]

You poor thing....

[Sturm]

I understand what you are saying here.  It is very frustrating to not be able to get to the action quickly.  Kept hearing calls for help at 2 bases had to spend 5-10 minutes in air to get there.  And when I did they were 51's and LA's stationed a good 15-18K up.  Make them pay for the kill I say, drag them down to aa which is what I had to do most of the time.  We had 3-4 grnd vhcls around base as well which shot a couple down chasing me.  I think if you have more targets to bomb might make it interesting, and how it might affect the war cause.  Have refineries, power stations, Damns <-- really want to see these.  More targets mean more opportunities for others to hit, spread the action out and of course high value targets would bring in the buffs, have an airfield near by and you might see some great action up high.  This would actually lead us towards the realism some want.  Trains we got to have trains, highways that can be bombed for transporting supplies, ships transporting war booty.  Interesting though if damns were brought in, destroy one, flood whatever is downstream.  That would mean bases and such.  Effectively shutting it down for a certain period of time, if you are on the ground when the water comes death for you.  I agree more targets is better.  

[Duckwing6]

HEY YOU GUYS !!! how dare you not play Laszs game AGAIN! eh ?

Go get into the arena and FURBALL it's Laszs wish!

man ... utter non-furballing dweebs all of yas

DW6

[Apache]

 

I watched a "mission" last night... A dozen or so of our guys attacked a near field.

Just so we're clear. If the "mission" you saw was us, (VMF 323), we didn't attack a field. It was our intent to furball, we just called it a fighter sweep  .

The reason I say this lazs is because I saw you in the area we were in and didn't want you to think I'm a "boring" guy ALL the time, hehe.

[Tac]

Lazs, Fighter Ace will spawn you 10k feet above a furball. 100% furball. All the time, in all channels, networks and time zones.

Enjoy.

[lazs]

duckie... I'm not asking for anyone to play my style or game.   All I'm asking for is that those playing the score, perk, strat or even spoilsport game have less effect on the fighter game.  I'm asking for a place to play that is balanced with your game.

If there is a place to take off from then I won't (and never have) scream on channel one for everyone to "quick we need furballers at XXXX"   I won't need to.   furballers don't need to "force" anyone to play their game.  

Contrast that with the strat guys who have to come up with all manner of gimicks including begging....to force people to play with em..  

No... give us the opportunity and we have no trouble getting WILLING players to furball.  Strat guys have to actually figure out ways to STOP the action!

apache.. geeze, that was a fighter sweep?  8-10 guys in each little clump vs one red guy?  reduced to fighting over scraps?  Wouldnt it have been more fun if there were enemey fighters? I know you bud... I know you couldn't have thought that was much fun.

Admit it guys.... The most fun you have is when a bunch of guys are all mixed up in a huge confused, well matched furball.   Ending the fun by blowing up a glorified lean to is not good gameplay nor..... Is it, can it, be considered good/realistic strat.  

wobble.. aren't you the little boy who was in tears over losing some of him pwecious widdle perkie points?   "Poor thing" indeed!
lazs

[TheWobble]

 

The most fun you have is when a bunch of guys are all mixed up in a huge confused, well matched furball. Ending the fun by blowing up a glorified lean to is not good gameplay nor..... Is it, can it, be considered good/realistic strat

as usual your opinion stated as Fact and or law.  I would love for you to have yer little furball wonderland, at least then all the people who dont care if they win the game or not will be segreated away in some little tardhole and not bothers the folks who actually want to win.


 

wobble.. aren't you the little boy who was in tears over losing some of him pwecious widdle perkie points? "Poor thing" indeed!
lazs

Yep!  got em back too, all 860 of my precious bomber points, hmm thats a tad over 12 Arados for me.

I guess ill be making some appearences at a few of your furballs to "ruin" your game by bombing some FHs.

See ya in the MA furbag.



[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 03-15-2001).]

[easymo]

 Hopefully TK will end the great, strat, dogfight, debate. You can have your burger anyway you like.

[Westy]

 True. But in 'TK" don't you have to make that burger yourself? They give you the frying pan and spatula but you supply the rest?

 I like sit down with great service  

-Westy

[Raubvogel]

 

all the people who dont care if they win the game or not will be segreated away in some little tardhole and not bothers the folks who actually want to win.

hehehe...

[Wanker]

Lazs, if you reduce or eliminate the effect that bombing has on fighter hangers, etc. then what reason would there be to fly a bomber in the MA?

That's precisely the point of having fighter hangers that can be killed. If you don't want the strat potatos to ruin your game, then grab more than 5k of alt and kill them.

[jihad]

Admit it guys.... The most fun you have is when a bunch of guys are all mixed up in a huge confused, well matched furball.

Actually its as much fun to be below the furball busting 37mm caps in their butts, or being above them in a bomber destroying the enemys resources.

The game caters to a variety of play styles, it would get pretty boring to be locked into furballing all the time.

 IMO its balanced pretty well at the moment.

[lazs]

some get it some don't.  It would appear from  all the evidence of every sim I've been involved in, that people like to fight.   They like it so much in fact that you have to figure out ways to force them to do anything else.   I suppose that some sort of balance needs to be struck or the strat guys won't have anyone to play with but... I think most agree that killing a glorified lean to with a laser guided and risk free bomb is not very balanced if it ruins the fight/game for a dozen or more players.

 Yes... I suppose if you must have bombers in the game then you must make some concessions for them and then you must make their conmcessioned out unrealistic bomber have some concessioned out strat to affect....  Yes, i suppose that fighters could spend all their time capping fields in the hope that maybe they would find a bomber (that is really no fun killing anyway) to fight.  For most of course.... That is no fun at all.  

Point is.... The fields are too easy to make unusable.  Point is, for furballers, buffs are no fun to fight and "forcing" us to fight em doesn't add to the fun in the least.   They are a non issue at present execept to be a detrement to gameplay.
lazs

[Apache]

<S> Lazs. Was it fun? You bet you're prettythang. 8 vs.1? Not where I was. We stayed at 10 to 15K and had fight after fight, which was our agenda and points be damned. I'm talking fight, not zoom down on an unsuspecting con that was tangled up and runnin' for his life. We were fightin' zigrat and sancho, et al, guys like that. Guys that know how to fight.
I will, however, admit that when we were RTB and ran across a con doing the same, hell ya we jumped him.
I've got no beef with you're position on furballin'. As a matter of fact, I agree with most of it. As you stated, you know me and you know I like to dog fight too. I am inclined to agree with you're assessment on the target strengths. I too think they should be a little stronger and maybe add more as well. I too leave buffs alone.
I don't, on the other hand, agree with your stance on "the strat guys". It is my contention that the strat guys draw the fights. I mean, there are fields all over the map one can fly around but I would look kinda stupid furballin' with myself. Where does one go? You go to where the strat guys are 'cause they stirred up the nest.

Later