Closing my account for lack of fighting

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Jimdandy:
If your looking for a "Quake O Matic" game your right this isn't the one for you.

*yawn*  more likely lo-furball o matic..

"I want better engine management!! *baaa*"

[Fury]

Raub you forgot to tell him that FA would be 1/3 the cost of AH.

Fury
p.s. I get a tinge of sadness reading your description of FA, since I was there for a little over two years and it seems like I need to defend my little baby.  But your review is spot on, and if I think about it, FA is good for what it's worth and hits it's target audience pretty well.

[airspro]

 

Originally posted by funked:
there don't seem to be too many people who like to dogfight unless the odds are fully in their favor.

Well "I used too" but learned "NOT" too  

After getting my bellybutton shot off enough times by their wingie I try like hell not to dogfight anymore . But funked as u well know it was that way in real life too was it not ?

I am reading Luftwaffe Fighter Aces by Mike Spick right now , seems they didn't stay and dogfight much either . The bounce seems the preferred attack , to bad we don't have the sun to come diving out of .

Yep osker , bye bye . FA they will stay and dogfight lots more , for one thing with there map u know just were "everyone" one is at all times , maybe not at what alt but u do know how close . Lots easier game that way . Have fun where ever .

Creamo my sig don't make it I guess ?   BTW thanks again guy , having lots more fun in the sim as I don't fly unless rested up . The answer you made to my post before helped me alot . While I don't agree to all that you post   it's sure interesting  

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[This message has been edited by airspro (edited 02-10-2001).]

[Jimdandy]

   

Originally posted by osker:
Yes I was looking for more action, not a $360 a year MS Flight Sim.

Yep osker this is sort of a combo of MS and Jane's. I's for big boy's and girl's that like a sim that offers some reality in the aircraft systems management and a realistic flight model plus combat and strat. As Raubvogel mentioned there re some good kids games out there like Fighter Ace and Air Warrior relaxed realism. There great for those without the patients for this kind of sim. I understand that the attention span of some people in the instant gratification world we have is getting real short. Heck we could be looking at the last of the generation of people that want to see a complex "adult" game setting in hear. As a matter of fact the depth of game play in here is a bit on the shallow side for me. But it'ss still the best WWII combat flight sim out there. I think the perk points are making more people play like they want to live which is great. I like a pilot that thinks and plays it smart rather than the unrealistic guy that has NOTHING to lose. Real pilots don't just jump head long into a situation without analyzing it first if they want to live. They aren't mindless robotic killing machines. They want to live too. They have a job to kill the enemy but try to stay alive doing it. Sure the Japanese and others had suicide pilots but that was an act of a desperate nation backed into a corner. They didn't start that tell near the end of the war. They wouldn't have started if they hadn't been at the end of their rope. The reason I'm even commenting is it just shows me what I'm seeing as a growing trend in people today. If it isn't instant satisfaction we quit! It's to hard!

[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 02-10-2001).]

[lazs]

funked said...."Osker has a good point. I've never seen such a timid group of virtual fighter pilots in my
                    life. I don't know if it's the early warning people get from the AWACS, if it's a quest for
                    perk points, or if it's just a group character flaw, but there don't seem to be too many
                    people who like to dogfight unless the odds are fully in their favor."

Yep... ded on.  I would guess that the idiotic perk system is to blame but who knows... the fact is tho... funked is right.  It has been brought to my attention by a new guy that I got into this game (yep... GAME).. Also by my squaddies.  We have been logging when things get too boring.   Say what you want... Tell my squaddies they don't have the right attitude or whatever but most of em just want to have a good time with a lot of action and.... Most of em can easily mop up the floor with all the posters that are telling poor ol oskr that he is in the wrong sim and that he is a dweeb with no skill yet.

Oh, I like the way sax fights in a 51 too but I bet he stops doing it soon enough.  Too bad, weve had some good ones but he is not typical of 51 pile its.   Understandable... A well flown 51 is a cowardly 51.   That's just the way it is.   He is not flyuing it "well" and his squaddies will no doubt correct his mistakes... And then he won't be any fun either.

This is not "war" or "life" it's a friggin game.   If you want to pretend to be a fighter pilot or be in a war then the very fantasy nature of the MA is not right for you anyway.   It is you that is out of place here not oskr....If you merely want to survive and make riskless kills... How easy can you get?  Very little skill required and allmost no ACM.  

Everything that has ever been described by anyone as "fun" in this sim requires action...The common denominator is the fight.  Some need more than others.   If the balance tilts too much toward anal, Amish barn raising... People will leave or not stay in the first place.  

Say what you will but you need action to attract and keep people.   Currently the balance of action vs.... whatever you call it... is tilting the wrong way.  
lazs

[Tac]

Aye, there is nothing more frustrating than having outflown a 10k alt advantage P51 that bounces you, get him on a good firing position, d700... and start closing in..then watch that bastige dive to d5.0 in a heartbeat. Many times I see groups of P-51's and I simply just turn away, its not worth fighting them anymore.

I dont give a damn if they think they are flying their plane right, or flying the way they like, as far as I am concerned they can stay at 25k or make them run away the moment my nose turns towards them.

BTW, there's nothing more satysfying than HO'ing a pony! Now if only AH modeled damage (nose and engine are lit like a christmas tree by 1 20mm cannon and 4 .50's from a P-38 and the pony still flies... BS) things would be much better.

It requires lots of patience to fly the pony, and their pilots are usually very good. <S> Runstangs!

-Tac-
(Wishing Runstangs would at least waggle their wings when they run   )

[bowser]

"..Fly Fighter Ace..fly Janes WWII.."

I don't think osker was critizing AH, he was critizing the way a lot of people fly it...timidly.  I think there's some validity to that.

Some people seem to think flying smart means only engaging when they have a distinct advantage.  I think in WWII that would be called gutless, but in here just silly since there's really nothing to lose.

Nobody's asking P-51s to turn with Spits down to ground level, but running shouldn't be their first instinct either.  Stick around for a couple of merges...who knows, you may some fun.  

bowser

[TheWobble]

"Nobody's asking P-51s to turn with Spits down to ground level"

Well lots of times that yer only option from running, spits can outturn you so they do everything possible to force you into that fight, mustangs are fast so they will play the speed card, most of the time people yell "runstang" is because the person has just extended to build his e back up which is the basic principal of fighting in that type of plane, as for being gutless from a fight as far as i care if im in an e-fighter and i come up on a turnfighter that is 5k above me im going to run and hope he persues me, slowly losing his alt and thus his advantage, once he is down to my alt i will begin offensive manuevers ( hammerheads and other BnZ tactics)  

it is often hard to tell between a person who is trying to get away and a person who is trying to set you up for something...and thats they way they (I) like it  

[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 02-10-2001).]

[funked]

The problem is that the "extending" roadkill is based on the bogus ability we have to easily maintain visual contact and a range estimate on a bandit that is 6 miles away.  It's not WW2 air combat.  It's gaming.

[TheWobble]

bogue or not, its they way you have to fight those planes, and I for could care less if I lose visual, i know what direction i cam from and I know the bandit is back there somewhere.

[Jimdandy]

TheWobble they don't want to have to think. They want lots of rock'um sock'um action. The Quake 'O' Matic. If it takes more then a minute or two it's frustrating and boring. Instant action. I think Jane's and AW have an Instant Action button. It puts you right in the middle of it right off the start. There you go were back to Jane's and AW. There you go guys. Problem solved. I'm surprised these guys have time to get ANY alt. That takes 3 or 4 minutes. How about this. We all fly around right on the deck. That would be conducive of a BIG plane set. How about this one. Spawn points at 20k. Everyone starts at the same alt 1k apart. It would be like a quick draw contest. Oh wait the Mustangs might dive. Ok, we spawn at vehicle spawn points 500 yards apart and dive around shooting at each other. That would stop those pesky Mustangs. We could even have a smash up derby! Wow I think I should start my own flight sim. I'll call it Short Attention Span Furball 'O' Matic Ace. Man from what I've seen I'll get a lot of takers. Oh no! I posted it. Now HT will use the idea. Oh well.    

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[TheWobble]

"Spawn points at 20k"
seen it in H2H maps, some of the most godawful un-creative maps ever, i think you will get more out of this game if you play it like Chess and less like Quake.

BTW, when Quake came out i was one of the highest ranking players in our local area, and had a "clan"  but I dont play AH like I did quake. nad its funner that way...actually if you want to play AH like ANY FPS, play it like You would play Rogue Spear.

[Spatula]

Turn fighters dont understand E-fighting and E-Fighters cant be bothered with turn fighting.

How many times do you see a 109 outclimbing a p51? how many times do you see a spitfire outturning a p51, how many times do you see a chog out-shoot a p51?  Alot i hear you say? Thats cause they fly their planes to their strengths. I fly a mustang, i use its speed card to its most. But how many times do you hear: "damned 109s all they do is outlcimb you when they get in troulbe - ergo all 109s pilots are useless dweebs" or: "damned spudfires, just turn in circles till when they get into trble - ergo, all spit pilots are useless dweebs"?

Anyone get it yet?

[Thunder]

If some of you ever REALLY tried to fly the P-51D exclusively you would REALLY know its strengths and weakness. Some of the comments I see in the BBS show a lack of understanding or just "hot air" from not enough time in the "Cadilac of the Skies!"  

Thunder

[TheWobble]

YEA and how about them c-47s, they wont turn fight ya either!, all they do is run and drop crap on OUR fields, stupid stupid "rungoon" dweebs.

some people just want to cry when you dont hand yer bellybutton to them on a plate, You gonna try me im gonna try to get you, i will run dive, blow in yer ear, anything I can do to put you in my sights, if you dont like it...tell yer mommie  

BTW I fly "runstang" aswell.