spitXIV is beyond crappy

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by Kirin
Heh, Wulfe, I think Wmaker is just pointing out the usual behaviour on this board when someone "whines" about a plane...

Kirin hits the jackpot.

[SirLoin]

My fave plane right now is Spit 14..It's a roping monster!

48:3 kills/death......

[AKSWulfe]

Well, no not really. One plane was perked based on it's usage.

All other planes were perked before even being introduced (except the 262 and other perk planes that came with that one... but that was due to server bugs or something.. and only lasted for a day or 2)

And what I'm saying is that the plane is unstable. It's not opinion, it's not something I can prove - right now, I'm at work- no joystick- no way to roll- .. otherwise I'd have already made a video comparing the lateral instability of the SpitXIV vs the planes I mentioned before.

Yes, the worst plane flying in AH and other stuff is simply rhetoric prolly just to start a huge flame fest. (gave away Cit's bait)

However, the lateral instability is something I noticed my first flight out in the thing (and only flight in it)... which gave me ammunition to reiterate that I believe the aforementioned planes should be perked with it.

Usage or not, I think the late war uber rides should be something you earn. Whether through perk points or simply attaining a good rank or whatever (which is very easy- even the shoddiest of players can get a good rank which is why I propose it. Check out my rank, it blows da big one so I ain't advocating this for me)..

Anyways, if it were anything but a Spitfire, there'd be more supporters.
-SW

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Okay, what data can you use to possibly show that it yaws left and right whenever you roll?
-SW

Heuuu... the Jeppesen private pilot manual, chapter on the "adverse yaw"? ... sry ... borred at work.

[H. Godwineson]

Like all fighters that fought from 1940 to 1945, the Spit saw major power increases in an attempt to squeeze more performance from the basic design.

Every increase in engine size and horsepower exacted penalties in weight and manuverability.  Three blade propellers of the Mark V gave way to four blades on the Mark IX and five blades on the Mark XIV.  The use of these blades led to  increased torque and twisting forces that increased stress on the airframe, necessitating strengthening of the airframe structure.  The increases in weight that resulted required the landing gear to be strengthened.  By the end of the war the 6,500 pound loaded weight of the Spit V and ballooned to 10,000 pounds in the Mark XIV. During the war, the Spitfire actually gained more weight than the Me-109.

One of the tests of manuverability that Spitfire test pilots at Castle Bromwich used was to throw the Spitfire into a flick roll to see how many unassisted rolls the fighter would perform before stabilizing itself.  With the Mark V they got two and a half flick rolls.  In the Mark IX they got only one and a half.  In the later models they got even less.  The late-war Spitfires weren't the delight to fly that the early war models had been.

It is not surprising that the Spit XIV modeled in Aces High is more difficult to handle or kill in when flown as a pure turn-and-burn fighter.

Regards,  Shuckins

[Wmaker]

Yep, one plane was perked according to its usage. As I said planes impact to the MA is (accoring to pyro) the only deciding factor if a plane gets perked or not (for example, if almost 50% of the population in MA is flying a single plane type then it sure makes an impact). No matter how good the plane is if it isn't used much in the MA it won't be perked since it doesn't have an unbalancing impact in the MA. This is the view of HTC as I remember it (couldn't find the exaclt news-post to quote it). Of course it's HTC's decision to determine what planes get perked. As I said according to pyro unbalancing impact to the MA is the only deciding factor when HTC makes this decision.

Other personal *opinions* on how perk-system should work are just opinions. HTC has chosen its policy and it's the only policy that actually matters.

[Wotan]

seems sir loin has an entirely different feel for the spit 14 then the rest.

The burden of proof is on ther claimant. A lot of us have felt planes like the typhoon and temp with their thick wing dive too well while a plane like the 190d9 are terrible in high speed dives.

Seems several folks actual went a got data to show this but where scoffed at.

I dont care if the spit14 blows up when it hits 350mph or that its even in ah perked or unperked but threads like this always demonstrat what we all know. Theres a complete different standard by folks on this board.

"the spit 14 is beyond crappy"  

well sir loin seems to do ok in it.  

The same thing when folks were whining about the 110. I guy made a psot with very little supporting evidence and suddenly its fact. Folks actually had to prove the whiners wrong.

[AKSWulfe]

Granted, when one plane constitutes 20% or more of the arena usage it will be perked according to HTC's guidelines.

However, my point is that the guidelines should change. There was a thread several weeks (maybe even a month or so ago) that had the plane usage and highlighted various planes.

Of the planes I mentioned, two of them held almost 20% of the kills (together) in the MA for a single tour. Think it was last tour. P51D and N1K2-J. The La-7 held 7.4% of the total arena kills.
 The 109G10 and 190D9 are naturally not as popular, however when you look at their brethren then you see that it's basically "grab the bestest latest ride"..
The 190D9 had 3.88% and the 109G10 had 3.47%.

The 190A5 and A8 (F8 excluded since it's a Jabo) had 2.76%... combined.

The 109G2, F4 and G6 had 2.45% combined. I excluded the E4 because I don't know if it was in for the whole tour.

The chart is in this thread: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49959&highlight=perk

I know all I have is an opinion, I never said it was anything otherwise. However, when you look at these statistics it's obvious that making them low perk point rides (2-3 perk points, c'mon you can get that in one flight!) would up the usage in the MUCH less used variants and would bring more parity to the arena. As in, the early war rides don't have that much of a speed disadvantage over the other rides that would be common.

Wotan, SirLoin might do well in it (hell, I got 5 kills in it without dying and rtbed... I don't have a problem in it either) but that doesn't mean it's not laterally unstable.
-SW

[Wilbus]

You obviously can't fly it. Last night I flew it, started with upping from a field which was soon to be attacked, avoided all tiffies and 109's and got up to 12k, then turned back, made a few passess, as soon as anyone, even the 109's got close I simply climbed away.

After a while a high P51 and a 109 G10 came in, at that time I had 4 people on my 6 about 3k away (they had just killed F4UDOA in a nice normal MA gang bang). I simply climbed away, 3 out of the 6 broke off after 3 minutes, one died tomy guns as I simply came down on him, after that I sort of broke my wings in a high speed high G turn. If you think this plane shouldn't be perked ya might wanna learn how to fly it in the MA, it can with eas outclimb anything, even get away form fights by climbing, something not even the G10 can do, it's got great E-retation and exelent guns.

60 perks is just enough.

[Dead Man Flying]

Spit XIV rocks.  I'd take it 1v1 against pretty much any plane in the game.  What it can't outturn, it can outrun, outaccelerate, or outclimb.  What it can't outrun, outaccelerate, or outclimb, it can typically outturn.

You get used to the torque and instability eventually.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Tac]

I disagree Citabria.

For one, the Spit14 is very fast and has great acceleration. I'd put it almost on par with the La7 on this. Problem is, unlike the La7, the Spit14 can turn good and has great low and hi alt performance.

I do agree the price of all non-jet perk planes is very high, imo they shouldnt be more than 12 perks at the most.

[NJMAW]

I can understand (and thats too much ) 10 perks but 60 is really over doing it.  You getting JUST an engine for 60 perks.  

Just a faster fabric skinned Spit

[Nifty]

Anyone know the current perk point prices for all the perked fighters?  I think the F4U-1C was increased to 10 perks this tour, so have any of the others changed?

None of the prop planes we have should be more than 1/2 of what the Me262 is, IMO.

[Wotan]

none of the prop planes are more then 1/2 the 262 price.

 i wont ever fly a spit 14 so i really dont care if its modelled right or not. But the fact is there are other folks who fly it and dont experience the instability you do. So the point woud be to demonstrat its instability then to show its not modelled correctly.

I do know that guys in my squad have flown it and are pretty confident it could give any plane in AH perked or unperked a whoopin. The only other plane on its level would be the temp.

As for reducing perks thats a different arguement. I have sorties where i have gotten over 70 perks. Quite a few over 50. So 10 20 30 40 50 would not make a bit of difference to me.

I dont think currently we need any more perk planes. I had advocated in the past that the g10 d9 la7 and p51d be perked to the same level as the chog. But after thinking it over none of these planes effect the main the way the chog did. If anything the next 2 planes that come close would be the la7 and p51d.

No way in hell should the spit ix and niki be perked.

I also believe if anything all the perk planes are too cheap and oughta by upped in price. I find it funny when fester complains of perk prices when he has gotten near 3000 kills per tour.

Also anyone remember lw folks saying this very same thing about the 152? Remember the response then?

[DarkglamJG52]

Perk Spit IX.