Author Topic: spitXIV is beyond crappy (Read 1278 times)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #45 on:** May 27, 2002, 03:11:05 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So what?

So, read the entire thread. I said why.
-SW

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #46 on:** May 27, 2002, 03:36:12 AM »

Your guys complaints are pointless, utterly pointlees.

I just test flew the SpitXIV and the Spit IX. Guess what?

The Spit XIV feels heavier and stiffer... No toejam?

Hristo · « **Reply #47 on:** May 27, 2002, 04:42:59 AM »

SW, you took lessons of some prominent LW whiner ?

Anyway, SpitXIV should be just as perked as Dora, Pony and Lame7.

Creamo · « **Reply #48 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:23:00 AM »

Bistro, If I have to kill 7 more 109's in your fartkruphmem band of tards, I'll be ill.

The first bellybutton whippin is still fond, you mean to make my amusment level expand even more? Cool.

Hristo · « **Reply #49 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:32:16 AM »

Lost pills again ?

Angus · « **Reply #50 on:** May 27, 2002, 06:33:09 AM »

I have been flying the Spitfire XIV extensively in the CT. It has disappointed me in being much less maneuverable than the Spit IX. Get into a low dogfight with 2 109's, and you're dead. Get into a dogfight with 1 109 and once you have spent like 10 whole circles to out-turn him, you find out that it is a G6 with gonds!!!
Seriously! And I DO know how to turn.
Also turned it like 10 circles to get on the tail of a P51D once.
The difference is best found by jumping straight into a Spit IX. The IX feels insanely agile in comparison, quicker on all axis, and has a nicer stall. So, I switched over to the IX and I fare better in it!
I think HTC has done pretty well in modelling the speed and acceleration of the XIV. Its really fast and has good acceleration, - and it is a fairly agile plane. However, I think they chopped a wee-bit too much off its handling. From the British Air Fighting Development Unit report:

Turning Circle
18. The turning circles of both aircraft are identical. The Spitfire XIV appears to turn slightly better to port than it does to starbord. The warning of an approaching high speed stall is less pronounced in the case of the Spitfire Mk XIV.

Rate of Roll
19. Rate of roll is very much the same.

Well, planes have been tweaked and polished before, so I hope this pont will be taken into the view.

Now, somebody mentioned the Hurricane II as awesome. I have to agree up to a point. Four Hispanos in a plane that turns on a dime, also generally rolls and handles well is just great. It is slow though, but in the case of a low alt base defence it does not matter so much. IMOP the best defender against a CV raid. Well, maybe the Niki is better.........

Wotan · « **Reply #51 on:** May 27, 2002, 06:44:44 AM »

people comparing the spit 14 to the 9 is like me sayin the g10 is porked because it wont turn with a 109f

Hristo · « **Reply #52 on:** May 27, 2002, 06:45:46 AM »

It is my impression that SpitXIV was never designed with turn performance in mind. It only inherits some of the potential from earlier Marks.

Use it as a G-10 and you'd rule the skies.

Use it as SpitIX and you only offer free perkies to lesser dweebs than yourself.

air_guard · « **Reply #53 on:** May 27, 2002, 07:43:31 AM »

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Originally posted by X2Lee

I have to agree, maybe they have thier sticks too sensitive or just cant fly spits
Its easy to fly, handles well, I think its stable at high or low speeds
At least more stable than a 38...

Have never noticed any unstability in the p38 ?
unless i got one engine out

airguard

Naudet · « **Reply #54 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:20:15 AM »

I just tried it offline (account deleted so no online possible) in a short horizontal turning test.
And i found no difference between XIV and IX.
I could pull same Gs in both at low speed when riding the stallhorn. Only difference is that the XIV will turn a little bit better to the left.

And when speed and Gs are the same in a turn, turning circle is also the same.

There might be more of a psychological barrier when someone flies a spit XIV in the MA cause of the perks.

Obear1971 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:38:52 AM »

I thought that Perking was not just to curve the ubber aircraft but to introduce a realistic NUMBER of certain aircraft.

ie if the spit XIV in real war was not in abundance then it will be perked in here regardless of wether its the best aircraft in AH or the worst.

Perking i thought was to keep a gameplay balance, if there was only a dozen or so of X aircraft in wwii then in here it willl be perked heavly.

Thast what i thought anyway, so i dosent matter what has got a better turning circle etc.

Wilbus · « **Reply #56 on:** May 27, 2002, 09:16:26 AM »

So should the TA152 Hristo but that won't happen.

Production numbers shouldn't matter at all in the MA since it's not historical in any other way.

SirLoin · « **Reply #57 on:** May 27, 2002, 09:19:20 AM »

The only time a Spit14 needs to turn is at the top of a rope at 80 mph as you lower those flaps and look down at your stalling out soon-to-be victim.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #58 on:** May 27, 2002, 01:03:17 PM »

Naudet, roll in one direction, then reverse in the other. It ain't the same as the SpitIX in the stability aspect.

Hell, I don't even fly the damn plane. Flew it once, got 5 kills, landed- end of story.

So quit turning this into I'm the one having problems, I don't have ANY problems with the plane. It's laterally unstable. There are uber rides from the same era that are just as good running around unperked.

And if this perk system is supposed to perk uber "rare" rides... then I again insist it's effed up. 957 SpitXIVs were built. The ENTIRE Dora series of the 190 (not just the D-9) totalled a little short of 700.

So basically, the only thing the perk system is good for right now is toejams 'n giggles.

It doesn't perk all of the uber late war planes. It doesn't perk 'em based on production numbers either, as I just pointed out.

So what does it perk? It's perked based on whining or potential whining as near as I can see.

The LostWaffles would have a coniption fit if the SpitXIV was unperked while their uber Dora-9 is running amok unperked.

Hristo, I'm not whining. The system makes no sense, and is very lopsided. One side can have an uber '44 ride roaming around for free... while another side can't. I just want HTC to take notice and perk planes based on uberness relative to the middle of the road rides.

ESPECIALLY when all of the '44 planes that should be perked (A8 excluded) have earlier variants available for free (exception being the N1K2).

Call it whining if you want, but I don't complain MY rides have a conspirator group against them trying to neuter them or that the company creating this game is biased.
-SW

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #59 on:** May 27, 2002, 01:17:59 PM »

All of you Spit drivers, why u dont switch to fly the mighty, unbeatable and unperked Dora??