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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2002, 12:42:49 PM »
To Miko and others:

After reading many Western sources that opened to us since "destroyka" (Many Western sources were published in USSR since 50s, and not only pro-Soviet ones, but tell me any Soviet history books published in, say, US of NA), I finaly got f#$king tired of brainwashing. 90% of "historians" are barely literate. All they do is follow the "party line", drawn in late-40s, and absolutely parallel to Goebbels's stream of roadkill. They only switched the "Jewish question" 180 degrees opposite: Goebbels said all bolsheviks are Jews or Jewish servants, while post-war Western propaganda exploits so-called "antisemitism" of Stalin's regime. Everything else is 99.99% the same.

After understanding this I finaly made a decision to protect my weak mind. If I see two opposite opinions on any historical event - I choose the Soviet one, wasting the works of dr. Goebbels's inheritors right into the toilet and flushing water.

The article posted by Hortlund is an obvious roadkill. No documents, no witnesses, nothing. Only a figment of an ill imagination, stimulated by money from the most democratic of all democracies. All my experience with GPW vets is against this hallucination. Everyone says they were frustrated and angry, but too afraid to risk their lives when the war was almost over.

Curval, please show me a direction where to look. All I see is "the grand-aunt of my my wife's cousin-in-law was raped by a crowd of yellow-faced, narrow-eyed Russians with their machine-guns, horses, tanks and longbows".

Yes, nazis were bringing culture and civilisation to endless steppes of Belorussia and moist Kazakh forests, to save poor Europe from that cruel Estonian cavalrymen on shaggy mounts and blonde Kalmyk fishermen with their carved harpoons. They almost saved Europeans from eating borsch every day (c) Grunherz.

Countess Grishka was drinking vodka from a samovar under a shady cranberry tree.

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2002, 01:21:27 PM »
am edit your post and dont attribute quotes to people who didnt make them.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2002, 01:36:22 PM »
Wotan, your vision is very strange.

Khazarian Kaganat was a strange state ruled by ethnic Jews. Most of the population was pagan. When Svyatoslav ruined Itil' he slaughtered all the ruling "class", probably with the help of "servants".

There was a nation called "Karaims" in Krimea - the sons of Jewish fathers and pagan mothers in Khazaria, who were not "real" Jews and had to seek for luck in other places.

BTW, the Astrakhan' Kremlin is made of bricks from the Itil' fortress, after they were used in the fortress of the capitol of Golden Horde - Saray.

Read Lev Gumilev's "Ancient Russia and the Great Steppe", he covers this story very well.

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2002, 03:04:15 PM »
Boroda , do you see that black car with tinted windows outside your home ??? Better watch what you say :)

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2002, 03:14:42 PM »
its not my "vision" i just quoted something i read that supported mikos point.

I certainly dont believe that all slavs are "jews" or "controlled by jews". But from what I have read alot of the Russian Gangsters or "Mobs" are controlled by jews.

A lot of what the west portrayed as "Soviet anti-semitism" point to the Czech purge of 1953, the year of Stalin's death. They state that  9 out of  11 men executed were jews. But they fall to point out that a good number of Bolshevists overall  were jews. In Czecholslovakia there was a purge of officials who wanted to be their own bosses (like tito in yuogaslavia). You couldn't really purge "Bolshevists" without purging Jews. They were to much a part of Bolshevic order. In Stalins great purges (1935-38) nearly all the victims were jews. But this was not "anti-semetism".

In  Czecholslovakia a good number of the top government officials were jews. Including the minister of justice who order the execution of the 11 executed.

Of all the purges and claimed acts of "anti-semtism" most were untrue. Because in most instances in eastern europe one jew was replaced with another.

So when one were to say "Jewish bolsheviks" that isnt to far a stretch. Also given a quick look for evidence of soviet anti-semitism you can easily find it as well. However if one were to look deeper you would find this far from the case.

Now to the topic at hand there has been so much written about soviet rape gangs that denying it would be like denying the holocaust. In this sense its not worth debating.

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2002, 04:11:52 PM »
Quote

Now to the topic at hand there has been so much written about soviet rape gangs that denying it would be like denying the holocaust. In this sense its not worth debating.


It is amusing to look at that as wash out brains in the "democratic" countries. Funny as the people trust that that is written, only because it is printed on a paper or is made in TV. Any critical approach any proofs any " fault should be proved "

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2002, 04:13:42 PM »
Boroda,

This is in general, not just of this topic.

I truly hope you're not like this in real life and just playing around with our minds.
Otherwise, you'd be one of the worst kind fanatics.

If things we're so nice and nothing happend, then why is it that many countries under red curtain, have desperately wanted away from soviet authority?
Not to talk of their experiences with them..
People doesn't want get rid of things without a reason.
Look at the shape these countries are today and what they were.
Listen to the stories they have.

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2002, 04:18:50 PM »
Many think, that better to be first in a village, than second in a megalopolis. For the sake of it they are ready to blow up a megalopolis

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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2002, 06:58:42 PM »
my opinions arent based on tv they are based on what I have read and from the mouths of those that experienced it.

Again please edit your post to reflect who you are quoting.

In the west theres no state news agency. Theres enough diversty even in the main stream news groups and authors that for everyone to be conspiring against the image of the old ussr is crazy.

I know there are misconception and some untruths but not on the level you would claim.



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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2002, 07:12:15 PM »
This is also known as 'The Rape of Berlin'.  There were over 100,000 cases of reported rape cases.  Probably twice as many unreported.

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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2002, 11:51:47 PM »
If figure equal means it a deceit. And who counted these 100 000? Itself Beevor? Has interrogated all of 100 000 victims? Or he in archives has found of 100 000 applications for violence? Or the Soviet soldiers reported the commanders on each case of violence?

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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2002, 01:00:02 AM »
Those 100,000 reports of rape were from women going to Berlin hospitals for treatment.

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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2002, 01:18:40 AM »
Between capture of Berlin and his division the military hospitals function only. It means in the Soviet military hospitals the women addressed?

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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2002, 11:02:21 AM »
i think this one falls into "repeated so often it must be true" categoty.

Kinda like
300,000+ dead in Dresden, where most records can't seem to reach this high of a figyure.

There were few others....
Oh yeah.. Mk103 on 109K4 :D

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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2002, 11:42:25 AM »
100000 reported raped whomen means 100000 soldiers executed in front of their units.

Again - I want sources.

What Hortlund posted is an outright roadkill. Standard Western myth of "asian barbarians". Nice idea to picture Soviets as a horde or violant rapers - a threat to civilisation.

I truly hope you're not like this in real life and just playing around with our minds.
Otherwise, you'd be one of the worst kind fanatics.
 


Saw my signature? I am a regiment political officer.  And also a community officer of an online flightsim project, free for all. Anti-american only because it's free.

I explained myself. Please read what I posted above. Keep following the party line drawn by dr. Goebbels.

You can call me an imbecilic communist bastard. You are welcome.

I am no fanatic. I simply respect our Grandfathers who really did save the world.