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« on: May 26, 2002, 09:42:46 AM »
If we're going to start highlighting how 'bad' a particular religion is... here's some more...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_881000/881703.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1617000/1617384.stm

...coming soon - The Evils of Hinduism, The Excesses of Sikhism...
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2002, 10:25:25 AM »
i'm not sure what the links you post have to do with Christianity.
other than the fact that both victims and attackers seem to be Christian (or at least come from a Christian heritage) the fighting seems to be more over political views than religion

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2002, 02:35:00 PM »
I think we should all convert to Buddism...a truly peaceful faith..

Dowding will undoubtedly find some skeletons in their closet too though..;)

Re: Christianity...

We had some Bishop giving a lecture at Rotary the other day.  He was discussing "violence" and the root cause of it in our society. He professed it to be 'land'....it's ownership, and the desire of others to have it.

He went on to say that sometime in the 8th or 9th century the Christian church recognised the need to answer violence with violence...despite the fact that the whole concept of violence was utterly disavowed by the church.  They codified it in some sort of document...can't remember what it is called.

After his talk he asked if there were any questions.

No-one replied, but I just couldn't keep my mouth shut...eventually I raised my hand.

I said to the Bishop..."Sir, without trying to sound too combatative I simply cannot reconcile some of what you have said.  In your discussion you gave the date of the 8th or 9th century as the Church's edict on the justification of violence when protecting land or property specifically, but also to protect an individual's life and the life of his or her family.  Since that time the Christian faith engaged in the crusdades, the Holy Inquisitions and numerous other wars of religion.  I repectfully suggest that while land may be stained with the blood of many wars...religion is bathed in it."

His answer..."Ah ok...point taken Sir...are there any other questions?"

I stood there waiting until someone else asked something to break the ugly silence...and then sat down.

Afterwards, the person responsible for thanking the Bishop stared me down and went on to say that "Jesus is our only hope to quell violence"..as he had seen the violence inflicted by one faith on another first hand while serving in the British army throughout the world.  I just shook my head and under my breath said "Not if I am Musilm"..  The visiting Rotarian from the US who was sitting next to me leaned over and whispered "Or Jewish...like me".

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2002, 04:05:52 PM »
not try'n to be a nit picker here but the Christian faith did not take part in the crusades or the inquisition, the catholic church did.  many people have done profoundly evil things under the guise of what they see (or simply justify) as 'Gods will'.

as a Christian I can asure you that neither the crusades or the inquisition where in line with the teaching of the Christian faith, and they where carried out for the same reason most (maybe all) such things are carried out for,  spicificly power, money, & property.

in the words of one of my favorite song writers, John Prine-"Jesus don't like kill'n, no matter what the reasons for"

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2002, 06:07:27 PM »
As long as we're nit-pickin', the Catholic church was the first Christian church.  The next i believe was the Lutheran Church and so on.  So, yes, it was Christians involved in the Crusades.

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2002, 06:51:28 PM »
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As long as we're nit-pickin', the Catholic church was the first Christian church.  The next i believe was the Lutheran Church and so on.  So, yes, it was Christians involved in the Crusades.


Correctamundo..........we are all in it together...Catholics, Protestants, Luterans and so on and so on.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2002, 08:18:15 PM »
Religions are bad mm'kay?

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2002, 09:54:37 PM »
LOL dowding, after I saw that other post I thought the same thing as you..hehe.

Reason #1 why Christianity is so great...  http://www.jerryfalwell.com

#2: http://www.sounddoctrine.com/

#3: http://www.700club.com

hehe and the list goes on.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2002, 10:50:49 PM »
Opiate of the masses.

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2002, 12:32:37 AM »
the point i was making was Christian faith does not drive people to do those things(it actually forbids it)  those are the acts of men for their own power and glory and justifying it to themselves and others by labling it as Gods will

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2002, 07:07:51 AM »
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the point i was making was Christian faith does not drive people to do those things(it actually forbids it)  those are the acts of men for their own power and glory and justifying it to themselves and others by labling it as Gods will


Yes, but this was the same point that this Bishop was trying to make....an Anglican Bishop, by the way.

But, if you look at the sanctioned violence committed on behalf of the church you will find that the Christian faith has as much, if not more, blood on its hands than most other religions.  This is the point I was trying to make.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2002, 07:34:17 AM »
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"Opiate of the masses."

I thought alcohol and stupid government social programs were the "opiate of the masses".............

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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2002, 07:48:43 AM »
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"Opiate of the masses."

I thought alcohol and stupid government social programs were the "opiate of the masses".............

Cabby


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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2002, 08:07:12 AM »
Thou Shalt Not Kill-
Christianity forbids killing other people.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2002, 08:20:47 AM »
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Thou Shalt Not Kill-
Christianity forbids killing other people.


That rule was written "by God" and given to Moses, when?  About three thousand years before the birth of Christ.

Since that time many many Christians seem to have ignored this rule, as has the Church itself.  The Vatican Army was the most powerful in the world until the Swiss taught them a little lesson on how to conduct warfare.
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