AH 152 vs. Actual 152

[Turbot]

"The result was an airplane faster and more maneuverable than the P-51 Mustang and the P-47 Thunderbolt."

Source: National Air and Space Museum

http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/focke_ta152.htm

Does that sound like the 152 we have?   Just found the comment curious.

[K West]

How much faster? What alt?  
 How much more maneuverable? At what alt and in what aspects?

 Or?

 Perhaps the AcesHigh TA152 *IS* faster and more maneuverable but you just don't where and under what circumstances it is.

      Westy

[ra]

Then there's this:

"Between October 1944 and February 1945 when production ended, Focke-Wulf managed to roll 67 completed Ta 152 aircraft (H-0, H-1, and C-1 models) off the line but these fighters put on a disappointing show. Some aircraft were lost to engine fires while a variety of other engine problems and spares shortages grounded most of the fleet. By April 30, 1945, only two Ta 152C-1s remained operational. The Luftwaffe had grounded all H-models--an ignominious end for combat aircraft with great potential."

[-ammo-]

I was there. I was in a P-47, along with another guy in a p-51. Turbot was turning that thing for all it was worth. If you had straightened out and just accelerated past us, you would have been OK. But you kept looping and looping and rolling. The TA did well even under those circumatances. I think i got it on film, will check it out.  

edit, actually erg was alot higher and had a buch of smash, running you down was easy for him. This film tells the story.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by ra
Then there's this:
 By April 30, 1945, only two Ta 152C-1s remained operational.

Yep that is 100% true! Good for you smartass! Exactly two of the two delivered Ta 152C1  were on strength with JG301 on April 30 1945.... Good! Yes, ra, you too can read!!!!

Donno what they gotta say about the Ta152H, though. The C1 model was was en entitely different aircraft with different fuselage, armament, engine a DB603, weapons, cockpit, the whole diddlying wing etc.....

But I'm sure a smart bellybutton like you knew that.

[Turbot]

Originally posted by -ammo-
I was there. I was in a P-47, along with another guy in a p-51. Turbot was turning that thing for all it was worth. If you had straightened out and just accelerated past us, you would have been OK. But you kept looping and looping and rolling. The TA did well even under those circumatances. I think i got it on film, will check it out.  

edit, actually erg was alot higher and had a buch of smash, running you down was easy for him. This film tells the story.

 

Not talking about that instance at all - I was just goofing off.  My comment is in a general sense, and in that spirit I stand by it  The 152 certainly doesn't come off as characterised by the NASM article and others I have run across, not by anyone I ever asked heard of or seen anyway.  

"Chief designer Kurt Tank was flight-testing a Ta 152H when he encountered a flight of roving Mustangs. He simply turned toward home, applied the MW 50 system to boost his engine, and gave his pursuers the slip.
"

Even when it is free you see it flown little, and for good reason I think.

[-ammo-]

i am sorry turbot,  but you are generally wrong.  The TA152 is not inferior to the P-47 or the P-51 in AH. (well in my mind it is, but I am a fan of the P-47)

[Animal]

The Ta-152 is a Dora on steroids, better than any unperked plane.

[Karnak]

I remember one Ta152 flight I did where I came across a Knight P-51D attacking a Bishop Lanc (I fly Rook) at 19,000ft.  I killed the Lanc and easily outran the P-51D.  Flew awhile and encountered a Knight attack on a Rook base that included a Ta152, so I attacked the Ta152 (which was below me).  After booming and zooming on this Knight Ta152 and not getting him my fuel and altitude were getting low, I was at about 7,000ft.  A Knight Typhoon then tried to get me, so I dodged his first pass and then easily out ran him.  I landed on fumes after flying for about 2-3 times as long as the Tempest or Spit XIV can.

[ergRTC]

Yeah, I think he gave up on the fight long before I jumped in.  

I have out maneuvered and out performed p51s and spit 9s up high in a ta 152.  You just have to stay near 30k to be truly safe.  up there some planes are faster but you maintain e and maneuver much more effectively.  Just gotta look at the stats.  Sadly, down low, where the plane was never supposed to fight, it behaves like a slug.  It has no chance against most enemy aircraft, and the acceleration is horrid if you cant dive and keep diving.

I would like to see it accelerate faster, but I think overall its performance is good.  Up high at 35k it is a real joy to ride.  When the 1.10 is released the 152 will get a new lease on life.  Up there it is king for cheap.  Spit 9 and p51 will compete, but when your bnzing a 12 buff formation, I want at least a 30 mm.

[ra]

Grunherz a smart bellybutton like me can read, maybe a dumb bellybutton like you can't
It does mention the fate of the Ta-152H: they were grounded.

[Wotan]

the 152 is fine. its a bit slow at alt but still nothing beats it.

In the ct you never need more then 25% fuel in it. it will out manuver any of the planes in the ct except spits. It will out run a spit 14.

If your having problems its the way you fly it.

I am 10 and 3 in the ct fighting on the deck in the ct. My squaddie erlkonig flew in on the deck in main racking up like 6 kills vrs spits.
The 3 times I died 1 was from aa. The other a gv and 1 time a p51 sprayed me from d800. Im not as good as most thay fly the ct.

Its the pilot not the plane.

On a side note. This aint real life. If your flying the plane to some standard you read in some book your gonna get beat in any plane. Learn to fly the planes in AH the way they are modeled in ah.

Every sim models planes differently. Almost all will show where they "match the numbers" but each has a different feel and need to be flown as modeled. If you think that after a tour or 2 in ah you can jump in any plane and simply rely on its performance alone to keep you alive you are going to be in for a rough time.

If you think somethings wrong you need to test it and prove it. And back that up with solid evidence. Because you had a rough time in a 152 doesnt equate to a problem with the flight model.

Fly a 190 in wb3 like ya do in ah and you will see clearly what i mean about flying a plane the way its modelled in game. Or fly a 109f4 in il2 and compare that to the ah 109f4.

We all want things as close to real as possible but just because you read

"Chief designer Kurt Tank was flight-testing a Ta 152H when he encountered a flight of roving Mustangs. He simply turned toward home, applied the MW 50 system to boost his engine, and gave his pursuers the slip."

That doesnt mean the 51s saw him or were at full man chasing him. Theres a lot unsaid there to make any conclusion as to how a plane should be modelled.

[Karnak]

I just don't know how to respond to people who claim that the 365mph on the deck Ta152 is a slug other than to say that they're spoiled.

Try using any pre-1944 aircraft, and some 1944 aircraft.

I feel that the Fw190A-5 and Mossie (both around 340mph on the deck) are pretty damn fast.  Things that do 360+ on the deck are stupidly fast, things that do 370+ are free kill machines, things that do 380+ are nightmares and the 262 has gone plaid.

The Ta152H-1 is sluggish at no altitude, it just isn't the absolute fastest thing at all altitudes.  But hey, what do you expect for only 20 perk points?

[Duckwing6]

Hmmm dunno ... but the AH 152 looks a lot different than an actual 152 IMO ..



that's a big screwup on teh art side and i demand it CHANGED ! N O W

[ergRTC]

spit 14 is faster and climbs better at the deck.  No way a ta152 is going to run from it at equal e.  Heck the 14 could climb and still catch up.

Mustang is much faster, even at the deck
as well as the la7 and yak 9u.  I dont think anybody flies any other allied in the ma do they?

As far as appreciating the slow planes, I love the hurri 1 and fly only in the CT, so when Bob shows up, I am mr. slow for a week.  I also belong to a hellcat squad (cant even remember the last setup where we could fly em).