AH 152 vs. Actual 152

[lazs2]

the kurt tank story is really a fun read.   You will of course never read a story by 51 pilots that talks about being left in a cloud of exhaust smoke by any 190..   the most they ever said about the 152 (those who ever even seen one flyuing) was "that long nosed 190".    Never heard any allied pilot sound very impressed.

Is grunhertz from spain?
lazs

[Wilbus]

Then my Coloring Books? What have you been smoking? You know nothing about me, my books, the book it self, the author, the plane and you come in here making stupid accusations of the book coloring a nice little plane 100% better then it actually was?

I've read the NASM info and it's wrong on several places, you can keep reading that 2 page info if you want to, those of us who actually do som research know alot more about it then you do OBVIOUSLY.
Second, they own a TA152, SO WHAT? Does it fly? No, has it been flown since the war? Uhmm, once again NO.

You'd be surpised what you learn from Books montezuma, maybe you should try reading one or two

[Wilbus]

This Story is true though Laz, guessing it was a TA152 with a DB engine (GUESSING). Had a top speed of 380-390 mph at the deck.

[Wilbus]

I might add to the TA152 in AH, the H-1, as in AH used wing tanks. Gave it an internal range greater then that of the P51D. in AH it's got about 20% more time in the air on internal then the P51D. My usual fuel load is 75% + DT.

When you fly it, work the fuel manually, use left and right wing tanks first down to about 15-20%. Then put it on auto.

[Wilbus]

Kurt Tanks story about the TA152 flight where he was Jumped by 2 P51's.

His own words as shown in the book "Focke Wulf Fw 190 in Combat" by "Alfred Price".

'On one occasion during the closing stages of the war I was flying a Ta 152. I had just taken off from Lagenhagen near Hanover, on my way to a conference at Cottbus. Suddenly the control tower called me and said there were, "Zwei Indiana über dem Gartenzaun" - two enemy fighters over the airfield. This placed me in a difficult position because, anxious to remain a "civilian", I never flew with loaded guns. One could hardly expect the pilots of the two Mustangs to know that, however, and it is doubtful wether they would have acted any differently if they had known. As they came boring down after me I rammed open the throttle and switched in water methanol injection. My aircraft surged forwards, accelerating rapidly. The Mustangs' closing speed swiftly fell to zero, then they diminished in size until they were mere specks in the distance. I have often wondered what those American pilots thought had happaned to their "sitting duck".'

The Ta 152 Mr.Tank flew was armed but not loaded, so it was slightly lighter then a combat loaded Ta 152.

[Wotan]

for the main i take 50 and a dt.

in the ct tho 25% normally 50 if I am flying cross channel the long way.

I am not sure which 152h we have in ah. We have the wing tanks so that would point to the h-1. But ????

Burn you wing fuel off first as wilbuz stated.

fyi last main 152 sortie i flew me and a squaddie uppped to intercept an hq raid. The time we got to alt the buffs were rtb but several of their jug escorts decided to attack cmorris and i. They jugs had 4 k on us. We turned our 6 to the high cons leveled and hit wep. We went into a line abreast formation and as the 1st jug dove in cmorris went right i went left. Cmorris drug the jug all the way round giving me a perfect canopy shot. 1 3cm Rheinmetal Biscuit shoved right down his throat was enough to scare his 2 jug buddies off. I typed over channel 1 "Mess with the bull get the horns" to try and get his buddies to turn round and engage. well 1 jug did he turned round headed right at us hi 12. He had about 4k on us but dove for speed coming out of his turn. As we passed under he was 3k above. He did a split esse and dropped in on cmorris who was form d500 at my 5 o'clock. We did a cross over turn me going right cmorris left again the jug follows. I miss the shot in the orange glow of sundown. But do a high yo yo and come round on the jug. just as hes closing on cmorris, cmorris breaks left hard the jug cant follow and goes up. By this time i was ready for it. He went vert but i had speed and i cut his climb off. As he realizes hes .05 sec from death I bet he thought this isnt the jug i read about in all them books. Then the rheimetal shreds him.

His other jug buddy never even looked back 27k he noses down op direction to the nearest friendly base. I type on channel "come get ya some of these horns".

I found a p38 on the deck a few min later and killed him as well. By then it was dark so I rtb'd.

Its extremely fun to fly.

[Wilbus]

Fun to fly it is Wotan

Btw, both the Wing tanks and WEP proves that it is an H-1.

The H-0 had a Jumo 213 E engine, it couldn't use MW 50 nor GM 1 so it had no WEP.

It's definatly a H-1 we have, I am starting to think however, that the GM 1 Boost has not been modelled as it only works above 35k or so.

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Wilbus

I've read the NASM info and it's wrong on several places, you can keep reading that 2 page info if you want to, those of us who actually do som research know alot more about it then you do OBVIOUSLY.
Second, they own a TA152, SO WHAT? Does it fly? No, has it been flown since the war? Uhmm, once again NO.

The NASM says their Ta-152 was evaluated at Wright Field after it was brought back to the US.  Do any of your coloring books have a copy of that test?  Might be a useful thing to have to support your endless and pointless whining about the thing.

What is so unbelievable about untested, poorly built, and unsupplied Ta-152Hs being grounded in April 1945?  If you read closely, your coloring books might mention that Germany was having some problems around that time.

[Wilbus]

Monetzuma sorry to say but rarely have I met someone with your ignorance and lack of understanding, almost near stupidity that thinks he knows it all from reading 2 pages about something, if you even had the slightest clue of what I am talking about you wouldn't even post anything, just back away silent and leave us to think that you still know some things.

Someone once said something in style with 'it's sometimes better to keep your mouth closed and be believed dumb, rather then open it and remove all doubts', I know it wasn't exact like that but you may wanna think about it for a while.

In no way do I know everything about the Ta 152, I probarly never will since much of the facts have been lost, however, I know quite a few things about it.

As for the TA152, do you the US pilots who had no experience in the plane, who flew with bad and old parts had the same performance as the germans did?
Do you have any CHARTS that proves the TA152 to be as it is in AH, that is fastest alt 10k lower then it was in real life?

Till you do, don't come here and blaim me for reading coloring books by lying authors, you not only humiliate me but also the Authors who's spent countless years reading and researching about this subject.

Charts from me are coming, but as you know, I've probarly faked them aswell

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Wilbus
Monetzuma... blah blah blah

As for the TA152, do you the US pilots who had no experience in the plane, who flew with bad and old parts had the same performance as the germans did?

Do you have any CHARTS that proves the TA152 to be as it is in AH, that is fastest alt 10k lower then it was in real life?

Till you do, don't come here and blaim me for reading coloring books by lying authors, you not only humiliate me but also the Authors who's spent countless years reading and researching about this subject.

According to you, the NASM is wrong, the USAAF was wrong, and HTC is wrong.   To counter these bad sources, you have provided us with.. NOTHING.  

In case you think you can dig your way out of this hole, here is your challenge:

1.  Show documentation that the AH Ta-152 model has errors.
2.  Prove that Ta-152Hs were flying after April 1945.
3.  Explain how the US tests of the Ta-152  (the results of which are unknown to you) were wrong because the pilot couldn't fly the plane and it was broken.

This could be tough.  

But I think that you, as the one true bearer of the truth of the glory of the Ta-152 and armed with your library of luftwaffe fan fiction, can do it.

[Wilbus]

There was hardly a Luftwaffe at all after April 45 so that's apretty stupid statement, as all your other ones.

Documentation coming. Staga will help me with webspace.

US tests unknown to me? Are theý known to you considering you're a one page Ta152 info wonder that knows everything about it?

The tests US made with them had "old" engines, most of them time no maintance had been made except when the planes were still in germany, US did take some german engineers back to US though.

The difference between you and me is that I know what I am talking about whiel you, have read a single page about the Ta152 on a single homepage by a Museum that has got a Ta152 that's consists of about 200 different parts instead of one piece.

Yeah I am saying NASM are wrong on their fatcs.

Like I've said before, you known nothing about me, the books I've read or the authors, to come and make stupid statements about the books and Authors being wrong after 10+ years of digging in both German war time and US war time achives you just prove your stupidity and thus you've lost any respect I possibly ever had for you.

[Sachs]

Can someone post the story of Reschke eating a couple tempests in his 152 as well?    GOd I love that plane just wish it had greater deck speed then i would be happy.  

[MANDOBLE]

Wilbus, whatever you find out about Ta, accept this tip: dont loose a single second of your time with Montezuma.

[ergRTC]

No kidding Mandoble.  What a joke.

[Mathman]

Perk the 152!!!

-math

Oh wait, nm, it already is.