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Offline Black Sheep

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« on: May 29, 2002, 12:25:02 AM »
I read this post from Naudet and FDutchman and found this to be one of the smartest ideas yet :)   This will decrease both the overpopulation of one country to the other and the whines that result from it.

IMHO the gameplay will differ dramatically in 1.10 and this would be interesting to implement in later versions.

Quote from Naudet:

Each country has a resources pool (for fuel, ammo, troops, planes etc.) and the factories add there production to that pool.
Each used plane, vehicle etc. drains from that pool.

The production of a country - all factories intact - would support around 175-200 players in constant action.
If more players are fighting for that country resources go down faster and it might come to some shortcomings. This would prevent to overwhelming numbers, cause when a country would suddenly bring 300 players, after a while they would have some shortages in fuel etc.

Now if factories are hit, the supply would go down. when the resources are lowering there would 1st be a limitation (i.e. 75% fuel and so on) and if this goes on for some thime the limitations are stricter.

The attacker could also increase those shortages bye attacking the "reserves" which would be ammo, fuel bunkers, barracks and hangars etc.

That would really increase the importance of raids against factories, cause they would have an impact on the supply of a whole country and not only on the rebuild times of objects.

Than a second aspect to the land graping would come into play, the need to destroy the resources of the country you want to overwhelm.


Anyways - I can't figure why I read thru Fdutchmans long bellybutton rant about the strat :) but his points were pretty good and I'm glad I read to the end

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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2002, 12:28:16 AM »
I also realize that there will be some that stay just to drain these resources and piss just about everyone off - for this make people stuck to thier country until a reset and let thier own deal with em

How would we know who? hmmm...

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2002, 07:08:25 AM »
while I like the strat idea, I think it would make the lop-sided numbers between countrys worse. who would go fly for a country that was loosing if you would also be limited on rescorses besides signing onto a loosing team

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2002, 07:27:01 AM »
I don't like it.... sorry :)


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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2002, 08:01:31 AM »
Not my idea, but I've always liked the thought of reducing the perk plane cost for outnumbered countries.  I don't know if perk cost can be set dynamically, but it would be nice if a country is outnumbered 2 to 1, to have its perk planes half the cost of the other countries' planes.

It would also simulate the accelerated spending and development on newer planes that countries tried to implement as they started losing the war...

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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2002, 10:49:29 AM »
Its a nice idea, but the problem is that it would severely screw whatever country is being ganged on, or the victim of facing a country with twice the numbers.


How about if each country had a factory for each plane type and country... like have a Brit Bomber factory and a Brit Fighter Factory for example. Blasting those factories would disable the avaliability of planes in the other country.

For example, each country would have 10 factories for this. 2Xbritish (1 bomber, 1 fighter fact), 2X italian, 2Xgerman 2XUS, 2X Japanese.

If a buff raid hits the American Bomber factory down to 40% and the British Fighter factory to 50%, then the country that owns those factories would lose the ability to use the high-end plane models per ever X% lost. For example, in the above situation, the country would:

1) Not be able to use the B17 or the B26 (lose B-17 at 75% damage, Lose B-26 at 50%). Avaliable US bomber craft will be the A-20 and the TBM.

2) Not able to use the Spit14 or Tempest (when below 90% no perk planes), no SpitIX nor Typhoon (when fact falls below 75% no typhoon, when below 60% no SpitfireIX). Avaliable brit fighters would be the SpitI,V,Seafire and Hurricanes.

Since there are TEN factories per country, the chances of one country losing them all would be low. But it will affect the war effort if they get hit.

Then they'd have the fuel and ammo & the other factories. IMO, hitting these factories should lower the fuel and ammo avaliablity in ALL FIELDS. If you knock fuel to 50% and ammo to 75%, then all fields should have 50% fuel max and be able to load the 500lbs only (the 1k bombs not avaliable). Of course, the current fuel and ammo factories should be like 4X the size that they are now if they are going to affect the resources that much. :)

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2002, 02:52:48 PM »
>>the problem is that it would severely screw whatever country is being ganged on<<


Here you have hit the nail squarely.
There is a fixation with gangbanging that is obvious. It is a mindset and not something that is natural or fair or even honorable. The tendency amongst the players here is to go after the side that is (not necessarily) weaker and/or otherwise occupied in a battle against one country.
Numbers isn't the sole reason for one side getting hammered by the other two.
Yeah you will hear Rooks so called whining as many of you dweebs put it;)  but it isn't. Not when there are 190 Bish engaged in a fight with 150 Rooks, whose heels are being nipped at by 120 Nits. This is a concious effort by the weaker country to avoid fighting the stronger country by attacking the other country engaged in the fight.  These are the dynamics of the fights in the MA, and until one side decides they aren't going to play that way, it will continue.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2002, 03:10:26 PM »
I have heard the reasons for having 3 countries, but I still think that 2 would be better.

If 2 countries would mean that one could be seriously outnumbered than HTC could ask squads or individual players to swich sides. I mean.. its only a game and I don't care if our squad changes sides (as long as its not to often)

Our squad changed from knits to rooks for just that reason, and frankly I really don't care what country I play for. All 3 of them have their share of whiners an excellent players anyway ;) and the 3 counties will NEVER have the exactly the same amount of players anyway

Maybe having 2 sides would also put less strain on servers? I don't know.

Why not give it a try?

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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2002, 04:42:42 PM »
Not to mention how you would feel if you logged on but could not fly because there were no A/C available.

Then again, maybe you could man a place in an assembly line in a factory to increase production.  OTOH, you might get pissed about making planes that get grabbed up by other players as soon as they roll off the line and you're stuck playing Rosie the Rivetter.  ;)

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2002, 04:51:22 PM »
Tac,

Your idea is interesting, but...

It would totally the country being ganged on.  As I fly Rook I would have three choices:

1)  Resign myself to only having the Hurri I to fly against the Bish P-51Ds and La-7s.
2) Switch to Bish and fly against whichever side, Knights or Rooks, that has the most competive fighters in order to try to fine some decent fights.
3) The most likely option, cancel my account.

BTW, you meant 12 factories as you forgot about that minor participant, Russia.;)
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2002, 06:57:41 PM »
Please move this thread to the General Discussions Forum.  Here is the link:

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