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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2002, 03:24:56 AM »
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That would be funny. Some poor 262 or jet bomber pilot looks out window.

german pilot: Holy crap what is that thing.
American pilot: HAHA. looks who is fast now foo:p


But how about Luftwaffe '46 planes?-)
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2002, 06:18:59 AM »
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But how about Luftwaffe '46 planes?-)


actually the XP-47J and the XP-72 were 43 and 44 AC, that never made operational status due to various reasons. Mostly  USAAF descision to press on   with more production of the dependable P-47D.
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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2002, 06:25:49 AM »
Then again, a prop plane will never ever be able to catch a Jet in a dive unless the Jet has got lots less E from teh beginning, prop of teh prop plane hinders it from reaching speeds that jets can.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2002, 08:18:57 AM »
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Didn't it fly combat anti-submarine patrols off of Long Island?  P-72 to AH!!!


No, only two XP-72s were made.
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Offline ra

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2002, 09:26:28 AM »
ALL Jugs are on steriods  :)


« Last Edit: May 30, 2002, 09:36:20 AM by ra »
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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2002, 10:38:01 AM »
All Jugs are UGLY :D
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Offline Mitsu

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2002, 10:40:50 AM »
Yes! I hate 56th FG's Jug. :D
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Offline Monk

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2002, 02:23:24 PM »
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ALL Jugs are on steriods  :)


 




Ugly ? ......na, look at that baby, Its loud, and stinks, dirty......don't get any better then that . It's not ugly, It's smurfy:D
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2002, 05:56:57 PM »
Actually Wilbus, the F4U-4 can compete with the 262 in a dive. -4 is one of the fastest prop planes ever designed. Along with that P47 and that F8F Bearcat.

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2002, 06:46:27 PM »
Yep, All you have to do is leave your prop (=air-brake) home and ask if someone could tow that F4U to 32k...
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2002, 06:55:48 PM »
I'm not sure but IIRC Widewing has something to do with this site: http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Fisher.html

Nice story and a chart about tests with P-47 with supersonic prop.

edit: Me-262 could run 950-1000kmh (590-620mph) in a shallow 20-30 degree dive. You're not going to catch it in any prop-plane.

edit II: Russian turbo-prop bomber Tupolev Tu-95 is capable to run 915kmh (570mph) @25k ft. I believe it's still fastest prop-plane in the world.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2002, 07:20:37 PM by Staga »
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Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2002, 03:10:03 AM »
Gotha Go-229 (Horten Ho IX V3)
Max speed at sea level  949kmh (590mph)
Max speed at 12000m   977kmh (607mph)

Two Jumo 004 B-2 engines, thrust 2x900kg
Armament
Four MK108 (later four MK103 cannons)
Two 1000kg bombs or two drop tanks
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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2002, 04:23:54 AM »
Hellcat, no plane with a prop can dive with a Jet plane, once you reach high mach speeds, around mach 0.9-0.95 (different for different planes and props) the prop serves as an Airbrake rather then a puller. That's the reason Jets (and civilian gliders compared to civilian prop planes) accelerate as if the devil was on their 6, and there is nothing that prevents them from going supersonic except for structural limits.
Doens't matter if a plane is fast or not, as long as it's go a prop, the prop serves as an airbrake like Staga said.

But yes, The F4u-4 was very very fast but can't compete with any jet.
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2002, 07:21:40 AM »
No matter how super beefed up Jug/F4U/P51/Tempest/Spit/Hellcat/Bearcat/Ubercat gets, it still cannot compete with a serial production 262. Not to mention, if you go by prototype introduction dates, 262 is a 1942 plane ;).

Now, what about highspeed low drag canopies for the 262 ? How about R4Ms ? BK75s ? RATO take off units (what was it to 30k again, don't remember) ? Bombs ? DTs ?

262 is THE plane ;)
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Offline K West

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2002, 08:27:28 AM »
"Max speed at sea level 949kmh (590mph), Max speed at 12000m 977kmh (607mph)"

Got any flight report to back that up? ;)

 Westy
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