Author Topic: First v1.10 zone terrain (Read 4919 times)

Superfly · « **Reply #165 on:** June 06, 2002, 12:28:31 PM »

I think you guys did a nice job with the desert terrain. The textures look great, and it is perfectly balanced. I think it will work just fine. I know how much work it takes to make a terrain. It isn't easy, and it isn't always fun.
However, the terrain looks like a lot of fun to me, and I think a lot of people who are dogging it now will be happy with it when they finally get to use it.
Just think AK's, you're getting a little taste of what HTC gets on a daily basis from the community.

After a while, you learn to ignore most of the whining; especially the pre-release whining.

Nefarious · « **Reply #166 on:** June 06, 2002, 12:39:30 PM »

Hehehehehe Supa.

CptTrips · « **Reply #167 on:** June 06, 2002, 12:56:27 PM »

>Just think AK's, you're getting a little taste of what HTC gets on
>a daily basis from the community.

Heh. Its not like HT didn't try and warn us.

I just hope others are not dissuaded from trying. Allowing user terrains in the MA is a privilege that the communities of most flightsims don't enjoy. It'd be a shame to waste it.

I guess there are always those that do,
and there are those that complain about how those that do did it.

Regards,
Wab

AKIron · « **Reply #168 on:** June 06, 2002, 03:34:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Don
>>I think some don't realize the scale of this map. Here's a zoomed in view, will still take quite a while for the CV to traverse these waypoints.<<

Whether its a zoomed in view or not, the waterways are obviously narrow regardless of the scale. TGs are ocean going vessels, designed to cross, traverse, manuever large oceans and seas, not rivers. I have eyes and a sense of scale, your explanations are not sufficient to discount my point. It is apparent to me the map has included rivers and not seas or oceans. Notice in my response to Skurj I did not levy any criticism of the map itself, my comments were observations

Tell me then where in the real world you can find a river that is 20-25 miles across and encirles such a land mass? Or perhaps your definition of "rivers" is not the same as mine.

Apache · « **Reply #169 on:** June 06, 2002, 03:53:58 PM »

Don't know whether I will like it or not until it gets here. In any event AK's, appreciate all the hard work.

~~My friends.~~

Toad · « **Reply #170 on:** June 06, 2002, 04:00:22 PM »

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Originally posted by AKWabbit
[BI guess there are always those that do,
and there are those that complain about how those that do did it.

Regards,
Wab [/B]

Yep.

There's the WORKER Bees and the WANNA Bees.

Be like ducks.. let it roll off yer backs.

Good job! I look forward to trying it out.

AKIron · « **Reply #171 on:** June 06, 2002, 04:00:45 PM »

Well, did some checking, the Amazon is up to 200 miles wide. Guess it could be a river. But then again, the Amazon holds more water than the next 8 largest rivers combined.

Sky Viper · « **Reply #172 on:** June 06, 2002, 08:24:13 PM »

What you might not be understanding.

I don't care if HT uses my terrain or not. Even if they just told me to f### off, I would. But they made no response, period.
I once asked HT (he in blue), when we might see some "User designed" terrains. He replied, "When a user shows me a good one." WTF does that mean?
Queries went out from several players. Until now I saw no, zip, zero, notta, zilch responses toward criteria or requirements. (other than the fact that jihad's textures look exactly like Mindanao)

However, my bias has nothing to do with my dislike for this map.
I just don't like the Gamey look/feel that it presents.

Viper

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Originally posted by AKWabbit
SkyViper,

Our community has many great map makers. I look forward to other people putting in the time and work required to complete new MA terrains so I can enjoy the fruits of their efforts. The more maps we get, the more variety we’ll all have to enjoy. Perhaps one of those people will even be you. I’ll look forward to seeing yours.

I think I understand some of the reasons behind your bias against our terrain (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39843&highlight=SkyViper). We had to go through several revision ourselves to meet all of HT’s criteria. It can be frustrating. As I said before, if you are interested in getting your terrain approved by HTC you will greatly improve your chances by getting them involved from the initial design process on.

Instead of handing them your pet terrain and saying “put this in the MA for me”, you’d stand a better chance with “We’d like to build you a MA terrain. Tell us what you want?”

On a practical note, many of the “GREAT” maps we have now are obsolete due either to their size and/or strat configuration. They’ll need to be scaled up and reconfigured. As soon as that’s done I’m sure HTC will be glad to evaluate them.

So really your choice is to spend your time slamming the work we’ve done or grab the new editor when its out and show us how its done with your own terrain. Which of those two paths you choose will define a lot about the kind of person you are.

Regards,
Wab

AKIron · « **Reply #173 on:** June 06, 2002, 08:29:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Sky Viper
However, my bias has nothing to do with my dislike for this map.
I just don't like the Gamey look/feel that it presents.

Viper

Pardon my skepticism, or not.

Sky Viper · « **Reply #174 on:** June 06, 2002, 08:30:44 PM »

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Originally posted by AKWabbit

So you see, even though the new editor is not out yet, you have weeks of work to be done before you’re even ready to touch the editor. In fact, the new editor is backwards compatible and is ONLY needed to set the fields zone ownership parameter so you could almost complete your entire terrain with the old editor before ever needing the new one. At the very end, with the new editor, you could set your zone ownerships and zone master fields.

Do tell...you have the new editor already?

You gents made a new terrain with new strat functions that the rest of us are not yet privy to?

Viper

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #175 on:** June 06, 2002, 08:36:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Sky Viper
However, my bias has nothing to do with my dislike for this map.
I just don't like the Gamey look/feel that it presents.

So lemme get this straight, you don't mind fighting (or watching) Spits vs Spits, 109s vs Zeros, Me262s vs Ta152s... BUT, if the map looks gamey well then... that's just going too far!

Is that how it is? Cuz every map will be gamey for the MA... unless they do one with accurate bases.

But of course the bottom line is, it's not a "realistic" representation of a place in the real world and you don't like it. But then, when do things like that, we end up getting maps like Mindanao where a country gets stuck in the corner until a reset *IF* a reset ever comes.

So, the question is... is the ability to play a game and have the potential for equality for each country in terms of chances to win the "war" important to you.. or is it immersion that's important to you?

If it's the latter, the Combat Theater is better suited to your tastes- NOT the MA.
-SW

CptTrips · « **Reply #176 on:** June 06, 2002, 09:19:56 PM »

Forget it. Just consider yourself squelched viper.

Creamo · « **Reply #177 on:** June 06, 2002, 09:56:59 PM »

Sky Viper · « **Reply #178 on:** June 06, 2002, 10:00:33 PM »

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Originally posted by AKWabbit
>Do tell...you have the new editor already?

You ever hear of a beta tester viper?

I was a beta tester on the original terrain editor version as well .(2 years ago?) It was during that beta test that I wrote the bmp2map util because I had early access to the file formats.

Perhaps if you weren't such a turd someone would invite you to join a beta team. Though I can't imagine who would want to work with you. You seam more interested in causing problems that in contributing to the community.

Wab

Tard?
Causing problems?
Not contributing?

Yeah, Mr. amazinhunk, that's me.
Get over yourself Wab!

Viper

Sky Viper · « **Reply #179 on:** June 06, 2002, 10:14:45 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe

So lemme get this straight, you don't mind fighting (or watching) Spits vs Spits, 109s vs Zeros, Me262s vs Ta152s... BUT, if the map looks gamey well then... that's just going too far!
....

If it's the latter, the Combat Theater is better suited to your tastes- NOT the MA.
-SW

Well, I don't remember saying anything about the aircraft mix, so I don't know what gives you the right to assume you know my thoughts.

The Sim community as a whole can't deal with a CT type arena.
Most of us understand that I think.

I would figure the following in regard to HTC's view on us:
There is a line between Gamey and Realistic that HTC has to walk.
They watch us to see where that line is drawn.
They know that "realism" is more important to some than it is to others and they make decisions accordingly.

Now, if I shut my mouth and don't say I dislike the gamey stuff, then I expect to see more gamey stuff because HTC has no idea how I (or we) feel.
If I am the only voice, then I shut up and go away with that idea in the trash.
But I'm not the only voice against the gamey stuff. I'm not asking for a picture perfect scale terrain, but at least make something that doesn't make people instantly say "Yick" or "WTF" or "Pizza!"

Viper