Author Topic: In Memory of those who fought and those who fell (Read 700 times)

Kratzer · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2002, 10:28:58 PM »

So are you trying to say that I do?

Wotan · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2002, 11:06:23 PM »

ask umm how many times they bow their heads for the soviets at stalingrad, lenningrad or even the seelow heights

Fine brave men indeed, my grand father was one of umm but

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to the tens of thousands who died on the beaches 58 years ago today

sounds like too much "saving private ryan" or mohaa

If you look at the number of german forces they were facing it was a foregone conclusion that the invasion would succeed.

Now i know most will get their red white and blue boxers in a bunch but keep it in perspective.

Flame Away im ready for it.

skernsk · « **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2002, 06:30:18 AM »

The fact still remains that THIS is June 6th and thousands of men including CANADIANS not just Americans bravely waded ashore and took the first steps towards Berlin. So my boxers are just red and white.

~~When whatever day Stalingrad day is let us know and we shall acknowledge it.~~

Eagler · « **Reply #18 on:** June 07, 2002, 06:46:58 AM »

alright I got me numbers wrong

wasn't trying to. How's this:
That fateful day, with it's losses, did ruin tens of thousands of lives

Is that better?

After a clip on the news showing the troops in Afghanistan, marching up a mountain side with what looked like 150lbs on their backs, I realized how taken for granted they are. How many think "It's their job". It's more than a job as I'm sure many if not most could make as much if not more in the private sector doing much less/easier.

~~to all brave soldiers - past present and future~~

Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** June 07, 2002, 07:44:43 AM »

Can't we have just one whoopee ~~to fallen hero's without a fuggin' flame fest erupting?~~

midnight Target · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2002, 09:14:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
sounds like too much "saving private ryan" or mohaa

If you look at the number of german forces they were facing it was a foregone conclusion that the invasion would succeed.

Now i know most will get their red white and blue boxers in a bunch but keep it in perspective.

Flame Away im ready for it.

You keep it in perspective Wotan. Put yourself into the boots of one of those 18-19 year old kids running up a beach NOT KNOWING HOW MANY GERMAN DEFENDERS were arrayed against them. They were doing it to free France and other countries in Europe from Nazi occupation. The fact that you think you have evidence that proves the Germans were hopelessly outnumbered is just so much irrelevent crap. Go take your revisionist roadkill somewhere else. This is a salute to the brave young men of the generation that shaped our world.

And BTW all:
"only 3000"

Seems to me the word "only" doesn't belong.

Kratzer · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2002, 09:30:54 AM »

Look, it is extraordinarily important to remember these men, but it is also important to remember the facts. There is little enough awareness of WWII among most people for us to get it wrong when we talk about it. I'm not trying to start a flame war, Ripsnort, but I'm not going to let someone call me a Nazi.

AND - read my post. I didn't say 'only'. I said 'less than 3000'.

hawk220 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2002, 09:42:04 AM »

the term "hero" is so overused today as to almost be meaningless...but the men who faced near-certain death as they scrambled up the beach that day have defined the term by example.

without being over melodramatic, they saved the world, literally.

midnight Target · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2002, 10:00:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Kratzer

AND - read my post. I didn't say 'only'. I said 'less than 3000'.

I'm sorry Kratzer, I wasn't trying to imply that you said "only". I was just replying to the tenor of some other posts. You are correct of course, the facts are important. So is the honor we give those brave young men.

Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2002, 10:16:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Can't we have just one whoopee ~~to fallen hero's without a fuggin' flame fest erupting?~~

~~Ain't that the truth:(~~

Wotan · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2002, 02:03:40 PM »

Target have you ever served?

Theres guys everyday today 18-xx who sacrifice everyday to be prepared.

As I said my Grandfather was there (not 1st wave) and I dont need you to tell me anything about it.

The fact is the its the blood of the Soviets that fueled the victory in Europe. Thats not revisionist but fact.

midnight Target · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2002, 05:08:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
1.Target have you ever served?

2. Theres guys everyday today 18-xx who sacrifice everyday to be prepared.

3. As I said my Grandfather was there (not 1st wave) and I dont need you to tell me anything about it.

4. The fact is the its the blood of the Soviets that fueled the victory in Europe. Thats not revisionist but fact.

Let me take these one at a time:

1. Irrelevent to the thread.
2. Irrelevent to the thread.
3. Irrelevent to the thread.
4. Irrelevent to the thread.

I hope that helps.

DRILL · « **Reply #27 on:** June 07, 2002, 05:09:52 PM »

Wotan · « **Reply #28 on:** June 07, 2002, 05:22:47 PM »

its not irrelevant to the thread it addresses the points in the thread.

Whether you like it or not is what is irrelevant. But you knew that.

wsnpr · « **Reply #29 on:** June 07, 2002, 06:43:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Can't we have just one whoopee ~~to fallen hero's without a fuggin' flame fest erupting?~~

~~SALUTE! (to the fallen and the living)~~