Author Topic: Pongo - Equalized Numbers Discussion (Read 1966 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #135 on:** June 12, 2002, 02:21:16 PM »

ripley... I am not very good but I don't really just "dive into a furball with no intention of surviving". I will admit tho that during the times I fly (prime time) there enough numbers up that I can nearly allways find a good fight. Maybe you should check my stats so that you get a better idea of how I do against other fighters. GV's and ack kill me a whole lot of the time.
lazs

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #136 on:** June 12, 2002, 02:25:37 PM »

Lazs I just got that impression from your past text..

If you don't care about bases or being vulched, I assumed that you just want to furball regardless of the result.. Kill as many as can and go up again.

lazs2 · « **Reply #137 on:** June 12, 2002, 03:09:19 PM »

ripley... I do not care about bases being vulchjed or who (LOL) "wins" the war. If I get killed by another plane then I have made a mistake and need to do better. I am not adverse to augering or discoing if I am a long way from home and haven't been hit by anyone tho.

I do agree with you that we need to end the "war" when one country is down to a certain number of bases. I think 3 is pretty cool but with the new maps being so large it may have to be 5 or 6..

What toad is saying I think is that at some point.... a country will be on their last legs and at a "disadvantage" and that is as it should be otherwise it would just be a huge see-saw... fine for players like me but for those whos imagination is limited to a narrow set of goals such as "winning the war" as a measure of success.... It would soon become frustrating.

I don't mind my side losing the "war" so long as there is some gameplay all the way till the end.... and that includes having dar and fighter hangers and fuel at one field at least.
lazs

Toad · « **Reply #138 on:** June 12, 2002, 07:47:26 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE

If they keep outnumbered but decide not to take any more fields, they are going to lose for sure.

I thought the whole idea was based on the fact that they were "going to lose for sure".

I thought this was just a way to "to ensure that outnumbered/gangbanged countries may keep fighting and having some fun all the time" prior to the inevitable reset. After all, your scenario is that they are down to 3 bases and outnumbered. Or just 3 bases and equal numbers.. or whatever.

So, this is a last ditch way to keep the reset from ever happening? If the defenders "fly smart" (whatever that is)?

So it's OK that the attackers have worked a few hours for the reset but they won't be able to accomplish it if we give the defenders enough advantages?

bj229r · « **Reply #139 on:** June 12, 2002, 08:27:58 PM »

LOL Toad..I hadn't really looked at all this from a political point of view...but ya DO sound an AWful lot like a liberal TV journalist denying that all the OTHER journalists are, in fact, left-leaning-commie-lovin-West Wing watchin pinkos. However...loggin in night after night (6pm--11pm EST fer me) and seein Rook part of map lookin like Italy in 1943, is discouraging. Gettin crap ganged out yas is no fun, and from opposite perpesctive, it's no fun being one of 47 guys chasing 1 leaky 51 because there's no one else left to shoot at. What I think WOULD help, without radically changing game, is making people wait 24 hours to switch BACK (an AW thing) after country hopping. Also...ya cant switch countries without your whole squad hopping, lest ya withdraw from your squad. At any rate... it is REAL hard to deny that Bishops have overwhelming numbers more often than not...and the game is just no damn fun to play when things go that way.

Toad · « **Reply #140 on:** June 12, 2002, 09:10:49 PM »

Nah, just trying to fully understand these proposals. They seem simple at first glance but when you think about them you can see potential for abuse and/or potential for good old human nature to interfere.

As far as the "______ always being outnumbered", don't start it, OK?

Well be back in the "Incoming Screenshots! Counter-Battery Screenshots... FIRE!" mode before you know it. Everyone here seems to be able to "prove" their position with screens. I've got some too... hidden away in a forest awaiting the "counterbattery" order.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #141 on:** June 13, 2002, 01:09:08 AM »

OTOH Toad the point is that some people can just snap a screen anytime and show the result instead of storing the screens on those rare occasions it happens..

I don't like Mandoble's idea of airstarts either, it´s kinda artificial and would make reset hard to achieve. I'd go for 5 last fields as the reset treshold.

sling322 · « **Reply #142 on:** June 13, 2002, 01:59:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Minotaur
Today, for awhile, there were almost more Bish on than Rooks and Knights combined. Somthing like 175 105 80.

I think I figured out the Rooks problem.....it seems that they arent always outnumbered....its just that they cant add correctly.

175 is not greater than 105 + 80.....at least not according to my education.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #143 on:** June 13, 2002, 02:03:39 AM »

What does that have to do with anything Sling?

You mean that if bish aren't having more players than others combined, all is fine and dandy? LOL. There's still those 100 extra players compared to other two countries - and yes even though many bish seem to think otherwise, bish are not the only country that fights 2 front war. It's the same for all countries.

Besides, you have to practise your reading, he said ALMOST.

sling322 · « **Reply #144 on:** June 13, 2002, 02:09:34 AM »

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Originally posted by akak

Coming from a mere commmoner, I will not dignify your comment with an answer. Good day sir!

Ack-Ack
479th Fg - Riddle's Raiders
Uber Knights

Heh heh....nice comeback.

By the way, your comment about folks switching for perks isnt entirely true. If a side is down to 10 bases, how do you make sure that the impending reset doesnt occur for at least 12 hours? Cause you have to be a member of the winning country for at least 12 hours to get the perkies.

sling322 · « **Reply #145 on:** June 13, 2002, 02:11:02 AM »

Didnt you say back on the middle of page 2 that you were done with this thread? LOL

If you spent as much time recruiting rooks as you do whining about being outnumbered here, your country wouldnt have a problem.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #146 on:** June 13, 2002, 02:12:22 AM »

Sling the people who switch must be mostly newbies who don't know this. Or they switch simply because they're tired of being ganged and vulched in the last moments of the reset which is as good a reason as perks.

This is part of the reasons why it could be a positive change to force reset with more fields intact.

And yes I WAS over with this thread untill it turned to a more civilised discussion. Now it's ok again.

I could say the same about you sling, if you'd spend as much time trying to figure out ways to improve the game as you do checking what I'm saying about things, you'd become a far better poster for this thread.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #147 on:** June 13, 2002, 02:29:30 AM »

whichever method plus the surrender button.

sling322 · « **Reply #148 on:** June 13, 2002, 02:31:42 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I could say the same about you sling, if you'd spend as much time trying to figure out ways to improve the game as you do checking what I'm saying about things, you'd become a far better poster for this thread.

I guess thats the difference between you and me Ripley.

I could give a flying diddly if its balanced. I have fun flying with my squad, shooting chutes, augering when we need a goon, not giving a toejam about score and what not. Its all perception....you either have fun or you work yourself into a frenzy and give yourself an ulcer over a game.

I switch sides when I feel like it. Sometimes those Nightmare guys persuade me to fly with them. I almost always come back to Bish though for the simple reason that, IMO, there are less "Napoleon Wannabes" over here constantly barking out orders and telling people what and where to fly and what to attack and what to defend.

Like I said before, do something about the Little Generals and you might get a few more folks who enjoy flying on your side.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #149 on:** June 13, 2002, 02:39:40 AM »

Sling there are no little generals in Rooks because everyone knows rooks aren't listening to anyone.

Don't know where you got that idea..

If you don't give a flying diddly about the balance, try flying as the worst underdog for a tour. If you still don't care about the balance I'll believe you.