Spits, N1K2 and 110G2

[MANDOBLE]

Let me see ... Mzuma/Sikboy (are the same person? at least same IQ), DMF, Djavu .... ....mmmm ..... where is Kieran????

dtango, agree about the forum. In any case it was not a scientific experiment, just an online perception, cause that I dindt post the cases like facts but like how they felt for me.

The case of the 110G2 is different, it was not an IMO, it was a fact, and sorry no film. And it is going to be posted inmediatelly in the GPlay forum.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Let me see ... Mzuma/Sikboy (are the same person? at least same IQ), DMF, Djavu .... ....mmmm ..... where is Kieran????
 

If everyone who questions your motive, judgement, and ability to reason were the same person, we'd have one hell of a cloning problem on our hands.

-Sikboy

[Kieran]

Mandoble, I'm trying not to get sucked into another one of your threads. You think what you think, I think what I think, how 'bout you leave me out of it?

[Nifty]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
A general question for spit drivers, and I'm not asking for films with the replies. Do you feel the effect I described? You are aproaching slowly to your target after diving a bit and then, after 10 - 20 seconds of level flight, suddenly, your speed drops drastically (not smoothly).

No, I do not.   Not in the Spit V at any rate.  It's usually a pretty constant deceleration after leveling off, at least in terms of watching the range counter on who I'm attempting to chase down.

Was it a true dead six situation of him coming in on you?  Did the spit roll with you at all?

[Hristo]

Lesson learned: Do not start a thread like this one without a film.

[MANDOBLE]

Yep, true dead six, Spit didnt rolled with me, he opened fire and I just rolled a bit left and then a bit right, after that the spit kept guns cold for few seconds and then the decceleration effect and some desperate spray'n pray at more than 1000 yards.

It is just one example, but this is what I mostly perceive every time a spit dives on my six: closer, closer, closer and then the noticeable decceleration.

Same situation against other planes usually ends in a slow (smooth) gain or lose of distance along the time.

[fffreeze220]

=S=

I recognized the effect alot to when some poor spit drivers try to chase my D9.
The keep with me a little bit and then they fall back from 450 to over 1k inna couple seconds.

What i learned about roll like hell ull get rit of them in couple sec

But before i read this i didnt spend a minute to think about it.
Just leave it like it is. I can outrun them all still

[Toad]

Suicide is Painless

(Theme from M*A*S*H*)

Through early morning fog I see,
Visions of the things to be,
The pains that are withheld for me,
I realize and I can see...


[REFRAIN]:


That suicide is painless.

It brings on many changes.

And I can take or leave it if I please.

I try to find a way to make,
All our little joys relate,
Without that ever-present hate,
But now I know that it's too late, and...


[REFRAIN]

The game of life is hard to play,
I'm gonna lose it anyway.
The losing card I'll someday lay,
So this is all I have to say.


[REFRAIN]

The only way to win is cheat,
And lay it down before I'm beat,
And to another give my seat,
For that's the only painless feat.


[REFRAIN]

The sword of time will pierce our skins.
It doesn't hurt when it begins.
But as it works its way on in,
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...


[REFRAIN]

A brave man once requested me,
to answer questions that are key.
Is it to be or not to be?
And I replied 'Oh why ask me?'


[REFRAIN]


'Cause suicide is painless.

It brings on many changes.

And I can take or leave it if I please.

...And you can do the same thing if you choose.

[ccvi]

The effect with the spit just just lag.

[Shane]

this is what Toad was trying to say.  

Whining here is Painful

(Theme from A*H*G*F)

Through early morning posts I see,
Fantasies of things as they ought to be,
The flames that are withheld for me,
I don't realize and I can't see...


[REFRAIN]:


That whining here is painful.

It should make me feel so shameful.

And I must beat and believe it, if it's cheese.


I try to find a way to prove,
All the BS ways that nikis move,
With that ever-present UFO groove,
But now I know that i'm a doof, and...


[REFRAIN]

The game of smack is hard to play,
I'm gonna lose it anyway.
Back in the forum I'll try to bray,
But this is all I have to post today.


[REFRAIN]

The only way to win is to try and gang,
And use some Luftweenie, sturm un drang,
And no one still gives a a dang,
For that's the only drum to bang.


[REFRAIN]

The facts they know, won't pierce my skull.
It doesn't hurt because it's bull.
But as the circle rotates to full,
The posts grow longer...until a lull, but...


[REFRAIN]

A spitwit once requested me,
to answer questions that are key.
Is it to be or not to be?
And I replied 'I'm glad you asked me!'


[REFRAIN]


'Cause whining here is painful.

It should make me feel so shameful.

And I must beat and believe it, if it's cheese.  

...And you can do the same thing if you please.

[dtango]

MANDOBLE:

What is your purpose for posting your perceptions on N1K2 and Spitfire performance?  My advice is to avoid a/c performance discussions based on perception because aerodynamics is not a subjective topic.

On Spitifre deceleration - there should be no surprise that this is the case in the general situation described.  The Spitfire is transitioning from an accelerated climb/dive state of motion to a level-flight state.  If we look at the Spitfire IX AH charts for instance, top-end speed at 5k for instance is around 330-340MPH.  Look at the 190D-9 and at 5k top-end speed is around 360-380MPH.  Form drag is directly proportional to the square of the velocity.  This is the drag force acting upon the Spitfire transitioning from a dive to level-flight to slow it down.  Given it's level flight characteristics there should be no surprise at the deceleration.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[ergRTC]

I really dont see why you guys have such issues with someone mentioning something they notice in the GAME.  It is really no different than acm discussions.  If niks have a habit of helicoptering, whether it is illogical, proven, or just somebodies opinion, I dont mind hearing about it.  If I try to rope a nik in the future, I am glad I have been alerted to this.  Film, no film, whether some one blathers on about square roots of pigeon shat or not.

If they dont helicopter, great, but when i go into a climb and I notice behavior such as mandoble mentions, at least I wont be suprised.  No harm done.

[Karnak]

MANDOBLE,

I don't know that it feels like the Spit decelerates unevenly, but it certainly does decererate rapidly.  The N1K2 and F6F seem to suffer from this as well.  Even though the Mosquito is only a little bit faster down low, it can easily escape by diving from one of those three and then leveling as the Mossie's deceleration is much slower.  I hear the P-38L can do much the same as the Mossie, but I have doubts about the Bf110G-2.  The only 110 I have seen while flying the Mossie that I did kill (hey, it was accompanied by a 10+ assortment of other cons) I escaped from in a similar manner.

The rapid deceleration is a weakness of Spits.  To be used properly they shouldn't dive to speed and then level for a chase.  They should dive to speed and if the target escapes immediately zoom climb back up to convert the speed back into altitude instead of throwing it away.

[Animal]

You lost a head-on in a 110G-2?
Hahahahaha...

There is nothing wrong with those planes, you simply suck.
Get a really good pilot to be the test pilot in your tests.

[ergRTC]

The past week I HOed a F6F flying 110G2, F6F was shot down but I lost all of my guns except
                            one 151/20. I was surprised cause that alone gun had the same ROF as the root wing mounted
                            ones of the 190s, and these are synchronized. 110G2 nose 20mm guns should have same ROF as
                            the 109G10 one, AFAIK 110G2 nose guns are not synchronized. With all the guns, the effect is
                            like firing with a single unsynchronized gun with very hi ROF, like if one gun fires just after the
                            other generating a continuous bullet stream.