Author Topic: Poll: ideal arena balance (Read 1284 times)

Kweassa · « **Reply #75 on:** June 10, 2002, 10:23:18 AM »

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What is transparant is that virtually no one gives a rat's bellybutton about your crusade, Ripley

Lance, though not everyone starts talking right out in the manner Ripley does, there are people who care, because the things happening around is really becoming serious. Wait, it already IS serious. For 8 months straight now.

Come fly with us Rooks for one tour, typically when the numbers are between 100~150 people. You'll see what lead Ripley to whine.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #76 on:** June 10, 2002, 10:25:24 AM »

Nice to see someone else has balls to confront the hordes too, Kweassa.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #77 on:** June 10, 2002, 10:30:21 AM »

I'll shed a tear for the Rooks when they quit sweetying. They sweetyed same time last year about always being outnumbered. Although 8 months straight this time? No break at all, not at all?? Exaggeration does nothing to get sympathizers for your cause.

Is it a coincidence or do people choose not to fly for them for some reason?

And Kweassa, Lance said "virtually"- which means almost no one gives a rat's ass....
-SW

eskimo2 · « **Reply #78 on:** June 10, 2002, 10:51:51 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]

I'm not going to be rude to you however as I checked from your stats that you're still a beginner. We must be nice to the newbies. [/B]

But this is a slam on being "new", and it's a harsh one.

If experience is important, however, then who's the newbie?
I say you are ripley.
What do you know, you haven't even been here a year.

Your logic right back at you.

eskimo

eskimo2 · « **Reply #79 on:** June 10, 2002, 11:12:07 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Toad I was talking to Lance there, not aztec.

Btw: You haven't admitted being wrong about anything so far. Has it ever happened to you? You're so.. perfect!

Toad isn't wrong here, you are. Read the entire post, see what others are saying. Have you even considered that YOU may be the one who needs to admit being wrong?

eskimo

aztec · « **Reply #80 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:06:09 PM »

LoL, not a beginner by any stretch of the imagination, and I truly fail to see what my ability has to do with it. I never claimed to be an ace or even average and would be the first to say that as an AH pilot I suck! So you bringing up my stats dosn't hurt my feelings in the least MRiPlEy, it only further illustrates that personal attacks and insults are your MO and perhaps that is where your problem lies.

Toad · « **Reply #81 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:36:40 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Toad I was talking to Lance there, not aztec.

Btw: You haven't admitted being wrong about anything so far. Has it ever happened to you? You're so.. perfect!

Yep. I know who you were talking to. I just thought your style on this board when "speaking" to other posters is pretty ironic considering that you said

THIS

about me:

"I've rarely met a person with such an arrogant, obnocious and patronising attitude like you Toad."

To top it off, of course, you have asked me to look in the mirror a few times!

Ever read your own posts?

As far as me being perfect, not a chance. Being a mere mortal man with all the foibles that come along with that, I've been knocked out of the race for the trophy.

I can tell you ONE thing I'm proud of on this BBS however and that is that I do not make AD HOMINEM attacks on other posters.

Another thing that I take real seriously and am very careful about is not telling other people how to have fun or how to play an online computer video game or that HO's are not a legitimate shot or that chute shooting is the worst crime imaginable, etc., etc., etc.

Now these two things, these codes, are hard to live by. I'm continually challenged to maintain control of my typing fingers when some guy clearly deserves a verbal hammering with no expletives deleted.

But I do try my best to follow them.

Besides, if I was anywhere near perfect, Drex wouldn't kill me every single time I run into him.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #82 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:40:32 PM »

Eskimo first of all, I've been here way over a year and my flight sim experience goes beyond that 'on that other side' so I'm hardly a newbie.

And for that part of being wrong, I can admit when I'm wrong..

However for the part that 2:1 (or worse as we saw again today) advantage over two countries being detrimental to gameplay in the long run, well.. isn't that clear?

You may give all kinds of BS about dynamic arena and changing of the sides, but the reality is that the players who log on and log out within their time limits see only the situation that's available then and nothing else. That leads to the simple fact that if sides are heavily lopsided during those times constantly, it's very detrimental to their gameplay. It doesn't help one bit if the situation is completely reversed in the wee hours.

What I was after was to create some kind of incentive for players to join the side with the least players, that would automatically balance the situation. Right now the incentive is to switch to the side that already has numbers - simply because the easy kills and protection of the group exists there. It's a deadly loop - the worse the situation in one country becomes the more players switch sides to the 'easyer' country. That way the situation practically never fixes itself. 47 vs 8 odds.. Think about it. Would you want to fly being one of the 8? Once? Twice? 20 times?

Score would be enough 'banana' for the experienced players to go and balance the weakest country while the newbies could still join the largest country and seek that protection of the group (which they admittedly do need naturally.)

I really can't see what gets Toad and the rest so worked up with this. I tried today flying on the larger side against the 8 poor sod's.. It was extremely boring, mostly transit flight finding no enemies.

Toad · « **Reply #83 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:44:30 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I really can't see what gets Toad and the rest so worked up with this.

Yes, that's pretty obvious by now.

I'll try again:

I'm allergic to some paying players constantly trying to tell other paying players what to do.

Clear enough?

Oh, yah.. the continual insults raise an eyebrow too.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #84 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:50:18 PM »

Toad I understand your point of view also.. And I'm sorry if I've offended your principles.

I just don't see how giving an incentive to balance the game sides is telling someone what to do. Most games start from an assumption that there is a chance of winning - I've never heard of a game that had a built in design for other party to lose every and each time.

If the situation is like explained above for extended periods of time, don't you agree that it slowly kills the fun of the game? We all play to win and if the other side persistently makes winning impossible due to a huge mismatch in numbers, is that a good thing?

Let's try to bury the warhammer and forget the stupidities we've said (or I have said while po'd.) and think about this objectively.

Fortunately the situation has changed for better on the arena during the evenings now, but this morning was one of the worst I've seen yet. However that can be sustained since it seemed to be temporary, lasting a couple hours. Now we're still outnumbered but not by 4:1 - more like 30% instead. And this is an acceptable figure.

I know for a fact that there are many players who think like me (judging from talk in country channel) but they're scared to express themselves on the UBB. Looking at the responses I've got, it's no wonder.

Toad · « **Reply #85 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:37:22 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I just don't see how giving an incentive to balance the game sides is telling someone what to do.

The real questions might be:

1. Incentive? You started these threads with requests for a mechanism to "force" side balancing. That isn't incentive.. that's force. Forcing is telling someone what to do.

2. Is it necessary to give an incentive? After all, a player can switch at anytime. If he chooses.. or does NOT choose.. to do so, isn't that his perogative? What might such an incentive be? Perk points? So then we get people hopping around non-stop to get perks for "balancing"? I doubt we'd ever achieve "balance" that way.

As I've said before, I do think some device that registered new players in the country with the lowest number of registered AH players is in order. I think most folks tend to stick around with the guys that "mentor" them through the beginning of the learning curve. That would have a "balancing" effect over time most likely. It preserves independent gameplay in the arena without "forcing" anyone to do anything.

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
If the situation is like explained above for extended periods of time,

Wait right there.. I don't concur with your theory. I don't think it EVER is like you've painted it when viewed from the MACRO viewpoint, ie: the 24/7 world-wide view. There MAY be some or a few hours of the day when the sides are incredibly unbalanced but I seriously doubt if that situation remains that way continuously through the 24 hour period.

It may also be true that there are some or a few hours of the day THAT ARE THE SAME EVERY DAY when the sides are incredibly imbalanced and always with the sames sides ascendant.

However, as I said, taking the MACRO view, I doubt anyone sees a need to implement a "forcing" device.

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
don't you agree that it slowly kills the fun of the game? We all play to win and if the other side persistently makes winning impossible due to a huge mismatch in numbers, is that a good thing?

Even if this is a "micro" problem, in one time zone at a particular time of day what do you suggest? Changing the whole system because of one anomaly that itself is continually changing? Even you admit the numbers have been varying in a positive manner.

In other words, is the entire system truly "broke"? Because if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. (An old common sense saying, not original.)

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Let's try to bury the warhammer

I don't have a "warhammer" out for any individual. I do post counter opinions if I disagree and see the issue as one that needs addressing.

You think I've unfairly tried to end your posting (as you said in another thread). Nothing could be further from the truth. Post all you like; just don't expect that no one will disagree with you.

I believe you also accused me of posting ad nauseam on this general subject. Again I remind you that I have only REPLIED to your posts. That mirror thing again.

As I said, I'm willing to engage in a cheerful discussion of this or any other idea. So let's just keep it cheerful, remembering it's just a silly little computer game and foregoing the ad hominem attacks and other nasty stuff. Sound ok to you?

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
they're scared to express themselves on the UBB. Looking at the responses I've got, it's no wonder.

Not to belabor a point but DO look at the responses you got. And consider what it was YOU said that made folks respond that way.

Sorry, but the way I see it YOU, by your tone and comments, were "asking for it".

As I said, let's forget it all an start afresh without the heat. We don't have to agree; we can agree to disagree. But disagreement should not be cause for flaming should it?

Pongo and I muddled through in that other thread without flames and ending with pretty much mutual respect of the other guy's position. (I think.

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So why don't we ALL try it that way for a while?

OK... I'm "up and off".

Let's see where it goes now.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #86 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:42:06 PM »

Toad the main problem between us was that you insisted that nothing was wrong with the situation.

Now at least you admitted that the situation might have been like I described in the 'micro view.' And IMO this is a much healthier base for discussion.

I agree with you in the 'force' thing, that will not work with players that already play. However with new accounts it could work. For existing players there has to be a banana, not a stick to lure them into doing the move for common good.

Look into the other post I made on the other thread where I tried to clarify my point of view on the subject.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #87 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:45:15 PM »

Ripley,

I haven't got a major beef with what you are trying to say in theory, its how you've gone about it that has annoyed me.

You can't get people to join a bandwagon that's covered with turds.

This thread started out as a "poll" with an agenda that has no interest in finding out what others really think. You have attacked people, exaggerated and have been a general ass, all in order to "prove" your point.

I think its funny that instead of admitting that the state of being a newbie is all relative, and that everyone is entitled to their viewpoint, you chose to explain that your not a newbie. It's like your afraid that everyone might lose this imaginary respect for you if they think you're a newbie.

Or perhaps you think that your wonder-stats somehow prove that your opinion is more valid than someone like aztec, as how he interpreted your comment. If you believe that your score/stats has place you on some kind of pedestal, then you are in your own little world. The truth is that in this thread alone you have discredited yourself to such a degree that I don't think that you can expect anyone to take you seriously again.

As far as aztec goes, now there's one I'll listen to.

eskimo

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #88 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:48:46 PM »

Eskimo I don't really know what you think as a newbie..

Maybe for someone who has been playing these games for 10 or so years I'm a newbie.

I don't consider myself one anymore, though, after about 3 years of online playing. Do you?

Again, my apologies to people I insulted, I'm not perfect and I do stupid things when aggravated. The easyest thing to piss me off is to try to claim something I see before my eyes is not there.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #89 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:10:57 PM »

MrRiplEy = TROLL TROLL TROLL

Your poll is biased.

This is obvious from people's answers and your continued objections to their opinions.

And the most common answer is people will fly with their chosen country and squad mates regardless of the odds against or in favor - they dont' care about balanced numbers.

You're not interested in finding out how many people want what... because you won't let them answer with out trying to infuse your own opinion upon their answers.

You just want a stage to express your opinion.

You are a TROLL.

so go whine a wahahahaha "it's not fair" river..... because no one cares about the numbers except the loosers who can't deal with greater than 1 to 1 odds.