Author Topic: External view (Read 693 times)

eskimo2 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 09, 2002, 10:30:25 PM »

Thanks Revvin, you said everything I've been thinking on the topic. I agree 100%.

The SA of an AH bomber "crew" (1 guy) is much less than its RL counter-part. Nothing can match the observation and intercom communication of several crew members whose solitary purpose onboard is to watch for, and defend against, enemy fighters.
External view is a measly game-play concession that still leaves bombers at a SA disadvantage.

eskimo

Beefcake · « **Reply #31 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:22:04 AM »

I'd like to appollogize for the outlashing I made in a previous post in this thread. It's not my place to jumpinto threads like this and start whining. Plus I'm really afraid that Pyros going to ban me, since this is the kind of thing he said to stop doing. Anyway please continue to debate this tread. And Pyro....please don't ban me!

Flossy · « **Reply #32 on:** June 10, 2002, 06:24:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
But I have about 5 films, in 1 I kill 7 b17s in a single g10 sortie no rearm. Plus I have my big week film of killing 5 buffs out right in 1 pass plus 3 assists.

Theres guys in my squad who have killed over 100 buffs per tour.

So even though you admit to killing buffs easily, you still want to ban us from having outside views???

I completely agree with Revvin about the workload of a bomber pilot - to think we just sit there and relax is absolute nonsense, and the only way to be able to get a good look around is to go outside and pan all around, and above and below, which is what I am doing constantly all the way to the target, as well as everything else Revvin mentioned.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #33 on:** June 10, 2002, 07:06:06 AM »

External view should be limited somehow to the fields of view that were historically there. For instance: a Lancaster has absolutely no way to see anything directly below it in real life. But, in AH you can see an attack coming from the belly with no problem. That's not realistic no matter how you justify it. I don't care how many eyes you have, you can't see thru a solid fuselage. I agree that some type of concession is necessary, but external view isn't realistic in some situations.

Heinkel · « **Reply #34 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:27:47 PM »

What he said

I agree
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Revvin · « **Reply #35 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:03:57 PM »

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Lancaster has absolutely no way to see anything directly below it in real life. But, in AH you can see an attack coming from the belly with no problem. That's not realistic no matter how you justify it

In real life there were windows and small 'bubbles' (I'm sure someone can come up with a more technical term

) in the plexiglass of the cockpit to allow the co-pilot to look out and down these were used to not only spot cons but to during the dambusters raid when flying at very low level so you could see down. Not only that but the bombardier could lean forward and look down but in AH one person has to do this and not only do all those jobs but muddle his way through the myriad of head movement buttons, pan view and then return to a gun position and try to track the con. All those view points would give adequate views until the con was very close by which time in AH if you're not at your guns you are dead. It's a minor concession to the limitations of trying to simulate flying an aircraft through a flat 2D monitor and the restrictions of a normal computer flight simulation.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #36 on:** June 10, 2002, 11:05:28 PM »

That's a pretty well written argument Revvin, but I'm not buying it. I don't care how big those "bubbles" are, there's no way the crew would be able to see something coming straight up at them from their belly. Like I said, concessions do need to be made, but unlimited external view is not realistic. I guess until someone comes up with something better it will have to do.