Why the p51 isn't as uber as people claim:

[AKDejaVu]

 

Only one.And I'll post it.

Make sure you post the one that proves your point.. no matter how much sifting it requires.

AKDejaVu

[RAM]

Then No film for you!

 
 

[Fariz]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
 LOL now THATS funny     I have spent 2 days in a row dogfighting with a P51 (and I managed to kill a Niki yesterday in a turnfight   ), go figure what I do with a Fw190A5    

BTW when I had the joke...err...joke, I was #2 in Ladder     fighting in 109G2s and C202s ;D

hehehehe


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-01-2000).]

Yes, it is funny, considering that it was my reply to Fishu post, not yours one.

Fariz

[RAM]

HUMPF!...Sorry I was suffering AKDejavutitis   That is a bad sickness that blinds the people  

Hehe fariz I thought youwere talking about me and the new stick. Sorry again  

[Fishu]

I remember clearly three guys with who I have dueled more than once: camel, bytor and pirado.
With Camel I had few P-51 vs. 109 fights, though, I don't think we really had any rules, but can say it was dueling as we did it few times from about equal situation. (and I guess we also dealed those up a bit)

With Bytor I've had 109G10 vs. Spitfire IX, few times I had 20mm pods and also done spit to spit duel for once.. couple.. times.. i dont remember  

With Pirado I took few C.205 fights with only 7mm guns, I did also film those.. those rare times I didn't forget (though, I *did* almost  )

So.. I have actually been dueling, Fariz
These guys shouldn't be bad sticks either.

Oh yeah.. I did sorta duel with Nath when I was trying Yak-9, twice on the same flight  

[Renfield]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
Oh, an I nearly missed the point...

Nearly????  

The funny thing is challenge RAM on anything and it is "no film for you" or "no answer for you" or various dodges to the same effect. This guys is slicker than most politicians though not nearly as successful. I love how he points out the 51 is good for running but later says he fights and never runs.

Just pointing out the holes, dude.

Let's see a film, RAM - c'mon, make it a good one.

[RAM]

Hehehe,yes, the hyena is funny  

[Hangtime]

LOL Santa!!

A shame yah gotta wade thru all that chaff above to get here..

 

Heh, my typical approach to a furball:
"Eeek, lotsa enemies. Question one: is anyone higher than me? If yes, is he heading towards me? If so, can I blow by him, reverse and still live?

If I cannot, is there any target below me within reach? Goooooo fasssssst in shoot shoot shoot, check six, evade bullets, check inb higher enemies and see if ya got time to reverse, reverse, go fassssssssst in check six, bail out. (St Santa)

Heeehehehhe.. EXACTLY! Only part missing.. 'Pick off engaged fighter on yer countrymates six on the wicked fast "screamin like a little girl"
egress towards the closest unengaged friendlies.' Works fer me; anyway.  

Hang

[StSanta]

Heheh yeh Hang, only prob is that I am supposed to do that AFTER I check six, find enemy there and bail  

I need to work on it  

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JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[eskimo]

Stang ain't uber cause it ain't got cannon.

eskimo

[StSanta]

Well, this thread I interpreted as sort of a response to RAM's thread about the p51

He dinnae claim it was uber, he just claimed it wasn't as inferior as some paint it to be.

1v1 co alt co e merge vs an A8, I would rather be in the Pony. Same situation vs a G10, and I'd pick the G10.



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[AKDejaVu]

Santa.. what about the same situation vs a spitfire.. vs an A5... vs a 38... vs an F4u-1c?

The truth is that the p51 has strengths and weaknesses just like any other plane in AH.  Its strengths tend to get people out of trouble, but don't emphasize overall lethality.

Nobody is saying the P51 isn't a good ride.. simply that it is by no means the best ride in the arena.  Reread this quote:

 

it is the best of all, hands down

I won't argue about prefering a p51 over an A8.  It doesn't seem as if that was the main point.  I will dispute anyone making the claim that the p51 will out-dogfight anything in the arena.

Remember.. most of this came about when someone pointed to a 68:0 record in the p-51 by a pilot.  Someone else replied that they could do the same thing if they flew the p-51 instead of their A5.  As it turns out.. they managed IDENTICAL statistics (2.9 k/d in a5 and 3.0 in P-51).

Once again.  The p51 is not the best plane in the arena.  What is?  I surely don't know.  Wich ever aircraft is the best is not to be demonstrated by my piloting skills.

Torque makes the F4u look like the best.
Ypsilon makes the P51 look like the best.
Citrabia makes the P38 look like the best.
Fariz makes the spit look like the best (spitdweeb ).
Aper makes the Bf109G-6 look the best.

The people are making the aircraft look uber.  The aircraft aren't making the pilots look uber.

Time to get on with it.

AKDejaVu

[StSanta]

dejavu.

Man, how many times do I have to tell you!

The 190A8 is the best hands down  .

I agree with what you're saying but disagree with anyone who claims it ain't good.

I honestly consider it easier to survive and kill in than the A8, since it isn't as heavy and can disengage at will. In the A8 you're pretty much stuck with fighting it out in a co alt co e merge.

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JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[Fishu]

Is someone telling the ride, Fw190A-8 as bad, which in I made my longest streak ever?

[Nath-BDP]

Beta was easy, Fishu, get that streak again in current MA.

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[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 09-03-2000).]