Social Justice

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
man effenwolf  if you grew up on welfare how the hell can you figgure you earned every penny you ever had ?


sorry man you dont sound like poo folks, you sound like a middle class white guy roadkilling for effect.

I didn't say I grew up on welfare, I said my Mom drew welfare periodically (usually winters) and in fact we also lived in Gov't. subsisized housing occasionaly, in Richmond, CA. when I was 7 or 8 and in Sacramento, Ca when I was 9 or 10. Now if you think I'm the Eminem of these BBS then whatever, I could send you my mom's phone number and she'd be more than happy to clue you in but I don't give a rat's bellybutton what you believe.

Your statement "If you grew up on welfare how the hell can you figgure you earned every penny you ever had" is a valid one. I think we should make every kid whose life was made more comfortable through social programs pay back that money should they ever achieve any degree of financial success.

Sorry man you don't sound like poo folks either, you sound like a dipshit who doesn't know his bellybutton from a hole in the ground.

[Urchin]

I don't think the main problem our society has is a racial one.. I think it is a financial one.  There has always been a gap between the 'well-off' and the 'not so well off' i.e. poor.  The gap is growing, and it has been picking up steam.  I'd have to dig up some of my old textbooks to give exact numbers (and even those references would be from the early or mid 1990's), but I *think* something like 2% of our population owns 40% of the wealth.  I also seem to remember a statistic saying the top 40% owned 90% of the wealth (I could be wrong there though).  

Black people are trying to get ahead just like anyone else.  If they can play a 'racism card' to get more for themselves, more power to them.  For every black man that makes it, there are countless black AND white men that will languish in poverty for the rest of their lives.  

Is that wrong?  No, not according to our society.  That is actually the goal of our society.  I'm pretty sure a lot of 'racial tension' between black and white people would be eased if EVERYONE had enough money for a house and a car.  That will never happen, at least not the U.S.A, so I suppose rascism will continue to be a 'problem'.

[majic]

"Those are both privately awarded scholarships majic."

I'm not sure where you got that idea, those scholarships are awarded by ISAC (Illinois Student Aid Commission), which is state run.


Look here, ISAC page with scholarship info.

The Illinois State University page here distinguishes between private and public scholarships.  I just followed the links from there.

EDIT:  Just so you don't get the wrong idea.  I believe many African Americans are at a disadvantage but I feel Affirmitive Action is not the way to fix the problem.  Work on schools and neighborhoods in poor areas, don't concentrate the poor in housing projects, and don't tolerate racism anywhere, in any form.  Just don't blame every minority person's problems on every white person, because that's not the case.

[Shuckins]

In the mid-1930's many sharecroppers in the South were being forced off of their lands by a changing economic climate.  Efforts by the government to assist them, such as the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, often did them more harm than good.  The AAA, one of Roosevelt's first New Deal programs, paid farmers to reduce the amount of crops that they produced by letting some of their land lie fallow.  The landowners were supposed to divide their AAA checks with their tenant farmers.  In reality, however, the landowners tended to reduce the number of acres planted by evicting their tenant farmers and did not share the AAA subsidy.

A group of Southern tenant farmers who were outraged by this situation organized the interracial Southern Tenant Farmers' Union.  Although segregated in most work and social situations, African American and white tenant farmers joined forces to fight the landowners who had unjustly evicted them.  First organized in Arkansas in 1934, the STFU's goals were a fair share of the government payments, higherwages for hired hands, and a better deal for tenants.  The Union was despised, harassed, and accused of being led by Communists.  Landowners worked with law-enforcement agents to threaten and harass the union members and break up their meetings.

Desperate for help, the STFU appealed to Roosevelt for aid.  He responded with promises but no action.  One disappointed STFU leader wrote,  "Too often he has talked like a cropper and acted like a planter (land-owner).

Nevertheless, the actions of the STFU caused the nation to focus on the plight of the sharecropper.  The very idea of a mixed black and white union caused a great stir.  (Paraphrased from the textbook American Odyssey:  McGraw/Hill pub.  1997. )


At times, gentlemen, poor Blacks and Whites carried the same piano in that race.


Regards,  Shuckins

[pbirmingham]

.. called STFU is one *I* want to be a member of.

[GRUNHERZ]

"Grun, You are the most insulting person on this board."

Gee thanks, I guess.....  BTW I disagree somewhat and prefer to be called offensive, because I think one must make a point to be offensive in todays overblown oversensitive PC stuck-up pretentious world. Dont take yourself so diddlying seriously and lighten up.  But anyway what does this have have to do with the argument?


And you are right MT, no white person was ever affected by racism in America, not ever.  Not one single Paddy, not a single whoopee Christ killing Kike Jew, certainly not any Italians, or anyone.  Yep, never.

But every single single black person is. Plus they are disadvantages and automatically poor for being black.  Yep never met a black guy who wasnt dirt poor, or at least came from a poorer family than me. Yep.

As for the neighbor kid who got shot, well he was shot because he was black. How do you know this?  Did the "white pig cop" say he killed him because he was black?

"but that almost never happens to those of us with the good fortune to be Caucasian."

And I bet that almost never happens to those of us with the good fortune to be Black either.  


I just disagree with your doom and gloom outlook in the world MT, guess thats the most honest and respectful way to state my postion.

[Sikboy]

As the snow flies.
On a cold and grey Chicago morn' another liitle baby child is born
In the ghetto

And his mother cries ( in the ghetto )
'Cause if there's one thing that she don't need,
it's another little hungry
mouth to feed In the ghetto

Now people don't you understand The child needs a helping hand
Or he'll grow up to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me Are we too blind to see
Or do we just turn our heads and look the other way

As the world turns
and a hungry little child with a runny nose plays in the streets
as the cold wind blows
And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night and he learns how to steal
and he learns how to fight In the ghetto

And then one night in desperation A young man breaks away
He buys a gun steals a car tries to run but he don't get far
and his mother cries
As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man face down in the street
with a gun in his hand
as her young man dies
on a cold and grey Chicago morn' another little baby child is born
In the ghetto
And his mama cries

[Shuckins]

Singalong:

           
What the world needs now...
Is Love, sweet Love...


The Sixties were entertaining but weird.

Regards, Shuckins

[N1kPaz]

Good point...(im white btw) but my ex wife's sisters were both half black and the younger looked very black and she was constantly followed in stores and treated "differently". I must say that just meeting her changed alot of my feelings about color and I was shown first hand how colored folks are treated differently. She was a nice girl (quite attractive too) and didnt deserve to be followed like she was in stores. I reckon those redneck bastards thought that just because she was darkskinned she had to be a shoplifter. I say...if you are gonna do racial profiling then at least have the decency to make it discrete and not overly obvious to the folks being "observed". That is why God made hidden cameras.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by N1kPaz
my ex wife's sisters were both half black and the younger looked very black and she was constantly followed in stores and treated "differently

Same thing happened to my friend Levi. But he was always stealing things, so that's different.

-Sikboy

[N1kPaz]

then it isnt the same thing man.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Sikboy
As the snow flies.
On a cold and grey Chicago morn' another liitle baby child is born
In the ghetto

And his mother cries ( in the ghetto )
'Cause if there's one thing that she don't need,
it's another little hungry
mouth to feed In the ghetto

Now people don't you understand The child needs a helping hand
Or he'll grow up to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me Are we too blind to see
Or do we just turn our heads and look the other way

As the world turns
and a hungry little child with a runny nose plays in the streets
as the cold wind blows
And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night and he learns how to steal
and he learns how to fight In the ghetto

And then one night in desperation A young man breaks away
He buys a gun steals a car tries to run but he don't get far
and his mother cries
As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man face down in the street
with a gun in his hand
as her young man dies
on a cold and grey Chicago morn' another little baby child is born
In the ghetto
And his mama cries

ROFL.. thanks Sikboy, cracked me up.

[Kanth]

Like I said Elfen, I dont' have a link, this was a few months back, it wasn't  a big name organization and what I wrote was the only dealing I had with them.

 And also like I wrote, I didn't agree with the way they selected the kids in their program and so they didn't receive my selection =)

   Also like I wrote, it was started by a woman who formerly worked at microsoft, that sounds pretty non-government to me. And whether it's legally okay or not wasn't the deciding factor for me.

 If they are going to pick and choose who to help, then I feel that they can pick and choose for reasons like interest, apptitude, determination, natural ability.  Other than that, they can bit me.

I can't control the masons, I can't control anything other than what's in my own little world, and I won't compromise that just because something is accepted by someone else.

nobody likes the effing masons anyhow =)

DmdKanth

Originally posted by Elfenwolf

KANTH, post a link please.
Was this a private orginization? Because groups like the United Negro College Fund are privately funded and can distribute their money any way they see fit. The Masons are as white a group as you can get, and they sponsor scholarships to children of Masons. Is that wrong too? ?I defy any of you to post a link to a GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED program that denys access to benefits based solely on race.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by N1kPaz
then it isnt the same thing man.

 OMG! No way! I can't beileve that you would say... oh wait, I said it wasn't the same thing

-Sikboy

[Shuckins]

Where is the compassion?

There have been several derogatory references to rednecks in these posts and I for one find them to be offensive and hypocritical!

All of our fellow men deserve our love and understanding!

The term redneck was originally coined by Governor Jeff Davis of Arkansas early in the twentiety century.  It was an affectionate term for the hard working tenant farmers of the state who made up the majority of his support against his enemies, the silk-hat boys. These were the powerful landowners who used every opportunity to cheat the sharecroppers out of their share of the profits from the crops grown.  Davis called the sharecroppers rednecks because their necks were permanently sunburned from work in the fields.

These rednecks may have been illiterate, but they were not stupid.  They did not marry their sisters or cousins.  They were too busy to wear bed sheets and burn crosses at night.  That activity was left to the wealthier classes.  It is largely through the efforts of idiots like Jeff Foxworthy that the term redneck has come to refer to a vicious, illiterate, tobacco-chewing, wife-beating, Black-hating, dog-kicking, beer-swilling Neanderthal.

Where is the love and understanding?


     
What the world needs now...
       ...is Love, sweet Love...


Come on now all togedda...Let's sing along!


Regards, Shuckins