Thanks for comments guys,
beet1e

see ya shepherds tavern,
As I said in my post, personally I have found the questions asked by myself answered truthfully (ahem) and helpful, in fact revvin paged me privately and just said "ask away", thanks

But I can't help feeling (IMO) that we could all help the newbies (me) along just a tiny bit more. nopoop , you aint kidding

karnak, we are on the same track, thanks.
and to all of you that have shot me down, you cheating, warping, stick stirring modem pulling "friggin tards"

wipass